Ummm. . . it seems that my views are not shared as to the identity of the , , , what was it. . . oh never mind. . . hehehe. . . it's not like it matters. . . soon very soon. . . ha ha! Neonates playing with big toys are sooo amusing. . . indeed such things are paltrY, PAltry compared to the ideals that the "brujah" clan pass around so asaninely. . . Indeed I do not care. . . sleep now. . . sleep, Enjoy this night my family. . . enjoy. . .

Yep... definitley hopped up on goof-balls. Crazy high-on........ hehehehhee

I'd have to say... drugs..

Either that, or Deim was on some hardcore drugs.

Well, it seems mr. Kruchev Has finally wised up. Glad to see that at least ONE of you can see what's going on. He and I should talk...

he he he. . . Hey, brandon. . . I am a Brujah I will see you this week. . . As to your aims as to changeing the way the world sees the Brujah forget it. . . We are not worth the effort. . . I tried so hard. . . We are a clan of hypocracy! Hypocracy! Hypocracy! now I see with new eyes. . . Now my lenses are fractured. . . HA HA HA!!! hA HA!!

Yet another murder has occurred in the Lansing area. This time, a young woman in her early 20's was ritualistically slain near the Lansing offices of Baker Hall. Police are now calling this a serial murder case. Police are eagerly seeking any witnesses for the time between Saturday 9PM and Sunday 3AM for this area.

First, thanks Mike. Now Branden, I know you're upset and dissappointed, but take it easy. One week's notice for something like that, when you know what most people's(at least the gamers) Saturdays are reserved for isn't much notice. If we had a bit more notice, I'm sure Mike, Seth, and I would have called for skip week(The skip week is for July 7th, by the way). Sorry you're dissappointed and upset.

Happy Birthday Adam. :)

By changing the way the world views the Brujah, do you mean by torturing other kindred? You're not off to a very good start. Mindless brute with no orginality, I sure am seeing your clan in a new light.

my party could have used some gamers but aparently i was wrong,cause no one but the two gamers that live closest to me cam. Dave and Jen, this is not to you. i am dissappointed. i am at a los for words . if i come next week maybe then i will have something to say.

i am not your average brujha, mr. puddle. i am trying to change the way our world views brujha and it doesnt help when you and all the rest of the neonates have it out for me, i know who you are!!!!! i want you all to know that i am coming back to the city , only for the sake of the camarilla. and as for the other brujha i know of no others in the city save for me. and if this situation changes i would appreciate it if they would introduce themselves to me. the eldest of the clan in the city.

You certainly are a daft fellow, Mr. Giovanni. The spineless individual to which you are referring is not the person who rid the world of those pathetic, inbred fools. However, if you wish to have your bounty hunters travel to Detroit to grace me with a visit, I would not be averse to it. I never refuse new toys.

I am offering a bounty on Mr. Ulrich III the former Bishop of Chicago. He killed several of my family and employee's. This fool must be brought to justice. I offer the sum of $100,000 for him to be brought to me alive. That is all..

Humanity Two: Hey, some people ought to die. Killing is very acceptable to this Kindred, provided the victim deserves to die (and only the vampire knows whos deserving). Theft, injury, TORTURE, and destruction are tools to be used to accomplish ones goals. Humanity Two does allow for torture. **Grabs chainsaw and walks away**

To all kindred in Lansing: As I'm sure many of you already know, the new art gallery being built in Okemos is mine. There will be a grand opening party on Saturday, July 14th. Everyone in the area is invited. Several mortals will also be attending, at least 50, possibly as many as 100. Refreshments for the kindred will be available, but nothing more than that. The festivities begin at 8:30, and I do hope all of you can come.

well everyone i guess this is goodbye. i am going to be going to the owosso game from now on because its closer to where i live. i might be coming back but im not sure. . . um. . . so if anyone needs to get ahold of me my email address is listed below see ya everyone and goodbye.

Whatever might have been said or done in the name of "anarch rabble"... I apologize for them. And please, do make note that not every Brujah is a Beatass... just... the stereotypical. Now.. I will be leaving town tonight... further information... is.. unneccessary. I will return within the week.

This is an interesting quote, typed by Mr. Justin Achilli himself: "Finally, the Ravnos offered precious little to the Vampire setting....". The developer of the game agrees with me, aaaaahhhhhhh ha ha ha!!! Oh, sorry....

Not to say that I disrespect your opinion Moby, but he does seem to have a case. The setites could well represent a remarkable opportunity for the citie's population. The gentleman seems to have his ducks in order, I say we give the man a small amount of our time, and here what the setite family is willing to give in our support. I am not too keen on this chap either, but I believe that we could use every advantage. Please, this is just a voice of reason, if he has done somthing to warrent these acts contact me privately so that I might understand our failur to cooporate with the ambassador. . .

it doesnt really matter if you withdwraw your aid or not, your really not that important why dont you see that. just to reiterate the point a little bit more nobody likes you, respects you, or could give two shits about you.

Hello to all my friends in East Lansing! It is I once again, your Setite ambassador! I am just writing to wish you all aa good eve and discuss a certain unpleasant event that happened at my aboad last Saturday. This city is deffineatly lacking in manors! I expect it from anarch rable but my experiences in the past with the Camerilla have always been cordial. The Bishop was a guest of Mr. Ulrich III who had joined me for a gentlemans game of Mahjong. I arranged for their meeting at Quinton's request. Then all of you storm my home and attack a guest of mine! How would you respond if the situation was reversed? I am sure Mr. Mordain would have some kind of bloodhunt on me at the very least! I think I deserve an apology from all of thoose in attendence to this travesty. However I doubt seriously that I will get it. Your city is being over run by anarchs, you have your finances being stripped away, not to mention the hunters and the government problems. Instead of dealing with these issues though your spurn repeated offers of aid from my person, publically insult my god, my clan and myself, and then attack a guest on my compound. Manners gentlemen, mannors! Until I recieve my apology I am withdrawing my offer of aid and support. A gentleman can only take so much ruddness. Good eve to you all!

Peace and good travels Jason.

Police made another grisly discovery this week, as the partial skeleton of an adolescent male was dug up near the intersections of Wood and State Road in Lansing. The area appears to have been the location of some sort of ritualistic slaying of the boy. Authorities do not know if this is related to the murder of a baby near the 4H Children Gardens or not, but they are investigating the possibility. The State Police are requesting parents keep their children in doors after dark until they solve this problem.

Problem fixed... I only had to format, I love my computer....

AIM has gone haywire on my computer. Not that anyone is in a hurry to message me, but if you were, it might be a while.

oh, mike, I'll swing by fortress to get my books, so I'd appreciate it if you bring them along

well folks, I'm throwing in my towel. I wont be returning to larp this weekend. I might check back after faire season and see how things are going.
Basically I'm just not enjoying the way the game is being run now, and rather than angst about the fortress trying to grasp for it, I'm steppin out.
so, I bid you all adieu for now, I know I'll be seeing some of you at hollygrove. If anyone wants to get in touch with me for any reason, my email is below. If any of the ST's want feeback on my reasons, I'll be glad to discuss them with you guys again.
later all

Maybe you should ask your clansman what happens to those who run their mouths, Mr. Beatass.

i believe i can help with that roblem moby. as for the bishop , if he is still here, you didnt make that big of a "splash" mr. puddle.

I've bought a new wardrobe that I think will fit my new politcal affiliation much better, contact me or somthin casey, and moby. I need someone to talk to. . .

Casey Devinco i have no idea who you are but I will show up. I am not going to turn a blind eye towards my clan.

Hey Rienhardt, I've got Dementation for Fortitude and Animalism.

well... if this doesn't sound like the most cheerful board on the web... Moby.... we need to talk... as well as your "Frankie" and whoever else. As for this upcoming weekend.. I am doing a bit of... 'research'. I will only be in contact for dire emergencies. Get a hold of me before Friday.

What do you want to learn? I can teach you how to fly fish, integrate a sin/cos function, or even beat the ever livin' hell out of a tulip. I already have a couple students, but I can fit another couple in. Remember, squares are made of cheese... you're welcome.

(not a post, but more of a virtual interaction note)For all of those whom I would run into within this week whial flying arround and such. I would as you if you knew where I may be able to find a mentor or someone to increase my abilities in a few different ways. but if not I understand.

Moby, my childer, and any other Brujah who want to speak to me please get ahold. I have come upon a few new ideals I think you would be very happy to hear. Hey, if ya don't wanna show up fuck you. thats your buisness, but I especially want to see the ANARCH BRUJAH there. Bring your freinds, we need to talk about the way the family is ignoring it's single greatest goal. Please contact me.

actually dave i think that you are referring to me. i was standing by just watching not saying anythinig when everyone started asking about damage for a shotgun i happened to have the information on me so i told them and you started getting all huffy. im sorry for trying to help i think that ive learned my lesson tough guy. i will try not to help in the future.

I would like to post a complaint.

After the Fortress game let out on Saturday, several of the Fortress players decided it would be a good idea to come and watch my Sabbat game. This, I have no problem with. When we're in the middle of a large combat scene, however, and people that aren't even PLAYING in my game begin arguing rules judication with me, a serious problem arises.

My game is invite-only for a reason. If you're not invited, please do not involve yourself in my game. Thank you.

Oh, and I hope you enjoy the new carpet, Reggie. Adios.

I do hope my presence in Lansing didn't cause to much of a disturbance. I was just passing through and had no ill intent towards any of the cainites there in, aside from those pathetic anarchs. Prince Mordaine, you really should do something about the upstart Giovanni. He makes your fine city look bad.

There has been a financial problem going on for quite some time. Noone knows where all of our money is going but i would like to change that. Malakai Dweezil, Frankie Torino, and i are all collaborating on recovering our lost finances and to find out who the one responsible for all of this is. Together we have quite a bit of resources and influences but we dont have enough. We would appreciate any help anyone could give us in our venture. (if you do help us out dont forget to record it in your downtime and to email me)

Yes, I do believe I like Mr. The Fuzz best. All others in Lansing should refer to him as: Mr. The Fuzz.

Hmm, I was under the impression that it was indeed: Mr. The Fuzz.

Do you people find it that fucking difficult to call me The Fuzz? I am not Mr Fuzz, nor Mr. The Fuzz, nor any other strange mutation of my name you have come up with. JUST THE FUZZ!!!!!!!!!!

I really love this message board.

To My usual buss crew of George, john Deim, and the fuzz, I and hopefully getting our sherrif and keeper. I will be picking you up around 4:30-5:00 tomorrow so be ready or e-mail me if there is a problem with this.

To Pyle:
Are you a Narrator or a Storyteller? Last I heard, you were a player playing an NPC, not a Narrator. If you're not a Narrator or ST, you have no authority to put anyone on "notice."
To Jason:
I haven't seen a more childish post on this board since... well, in a long damn time. Grow up.

I'm omniscient, of course I knew in character. Duh....

pyle, don't be a twit. This board is both in and out of character. as a general rule, if someone posts with their REAL NAME (see below) then they are posting OUT OF CHARACTER.

know your role

or do you think you have the authority to tell everyone in the game what they can or cannot do.

Would you know in Character that it is Busy's Birthday???? I think not!!!! :-P

It's metagaming that it is Busy's birthday?!

I await a rulling by the Prince of the city. Despite what you think Bastian he alone can appoint seats to his council. All the gentelman you have named can be removed from their positions if he deems nessassary. If you do not believe me ask Mr. Fitch. He seems to be an educated, if not rude, individual. Do what you wish with the Anarch rabble. I will aid if my boon is granted. Good Eve to you gentleman!

Please reframe from METAGAMING. This chat room is in character so what ever you post is in character. There has been 2 incidents in the past couple of days that could be considered metagaming. That is way too many. Please do not take the fun away from all the rest of the players by posting information on this board that you would have no way of knowing in character. Consider everyone to be on notice.

The wild ones that you call independents have just recently been dubbed with that title. However their ways have stood the test of time in wheather or not it can mesh with and coexist with our own. It is not unreasonable to accept them in to our lives if that is the way they choose. Those who have consistantly lived outside of our ways or against them have done so because it is proven that our ways can not exist together. Our goals or means to those goals are too expensive for their transition and retention to both parties. Those who come from outside of our ways do so of their own accord and must be taken on an individual basis. In my opinion each individual must be given a task that would give us undesputiable proof that they mean to follow our ways. I would ask the same of any who made such a decision to change. As for your claims for ignorance in the matter of the boons, ignorance is no excuse in any matter be it boons or the Traditions. If your ignorance had been in bringing the billions that range the globe down apon us you would have still brought the billions down apon us. However if you still wish to pursue the boon then I sugest that you talk to Mr. Mordain and the Harpy. Mr. Mordain is no stanger to my position of those outside of our ways even if we do not always see eye to eye on such. I will accept, honor, and take actions in accord to his wishes whatever they may be but I know of no other ways that I can be of help to outsiders as long as they remain outsiders.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BUSY

No Toreador Primogen!? This is unfortunate... Anyway, on to this boon 'situation'. Mr. Tommoson, unless the Harpy, whoever that might be, views Prince Mordaine's not repaying a boon to someone who isn't even in the Camarilla as scandalous, I wouldn't count on it being repayed. Since you have no Justicar, you can't petition for any assistance in the matter. I do hope you refrain from enlisting the aid of the rest of your clan as well.

Actually, there was a Shroud of Darkness at the time that the Setite was picked up and "dialed out on". He was then thrown against the wall and out of the scene...

Oh, and Mr. snake, when can we start dealing with those red bandannas' whom "offended" you?

Actually good sir, This is where I must correct you. Our fair prince has decided that in all matters of what clan recieves a primogen seat and what clan does not is Up to me, moby, vinny, Mr. Finch,The torie prim, and *sigh* the fuzz. All of which you just named.Minus the torie and malk prims. oh yes, your fate is in our hands! As for wether or not you knew the prince was mad. . . I believe it was you he picked up and tried to dial out on. Then made mention that you had "horrable reception" So perhaps you didn't know He was a temporarily raving lunatic. I Think I just might take you up on that game of chess. . . obliviously such a game of intellect is well beyond your capacity to comprehend so it shouldn't take long to win. Reguardless. . . and yes I did come to the prince with a parking meter of sorts. But I would never think such a thing worthy of gaining the status and privlidges granted by being primogen. I mean lets think about the differences here. . . Chasing down 2 individuals whom assulted the elysium with blood filled paint balls, Fighting the large demon snake which you slithery bastards unleashed, defending our prince against the Ex-Archon mallory, and helping to retake chicago from the Sabbot V.S. Stealing a parking meter. oh, to those of us who actually HAVE the privilage of voting about the status of the setite primogen seat I would like to remind you of the views of our scaley friend with a quote of his "I represent no other interests but my own." have a nice night.

Hello again my friends! Mr. Dick I have no idea why you have such animosity against me. I have done nothing to you or your people. I did not name the gangrel because in fact I did not KNOW his name. No were in my post did I belittle the mans efforts, or the Lasombra's. (Who's name I also do not know)All I stated was that Mr. Fitch's request that I, and I quote, "teach us his way of life and find a family that is already accepted in our society that wants him as their own" holds no wait because one independent clan already holds a seat. I know that Mr. Bastian did not have to teach all of you the ways of the Gangrel (As interesting as that may be. Perhaps you would care to come over some evening and discuss it over a game of chess?) or be adopted into one of your 6 remaining clans. Mr. Fitch is putting my status on par with a Caitiff. I apologize if I came across as offensive to either my Lasombra friend or you Mr. Bastian.

However, the point of the Major boon is another thing entirely. It is true I presented a parking meter full of nichols. At the time I had no idea the Prince was utterly mad. I recieved word through my contacts that The Prince of the city desperately needed a Parking Meter full of nichols so I rushed out and got him one. Did I think it odd? OF COURSE!! But who am I to question the Prince? As I recall Mr. Bastian you as well had a meter that you presented the Prince with before my arrival. If yours had contained nichols instead of quarters we would not even be having this discussion. IT did not. It is your right to feel I took advantage of the situation, I will not even disagree with you. Had I known the Prince had gone Bloody wonkers I would not have wasted my time. I did, however, and the price must be paid.

Since as all of you have claimed, Mr. Mordaine is in complete power over the city. He is the only person who can decided what clans do or do not have PRimogen. (Ask Mr. Fuzz if you do not believe me) Mr. Mordaine admitly owes me a major boon. I would be willing to let it drop for this position. The Camerilla would gain access to my influence over the city to help them in the battle with this Anarch Rabble. Plus you would be able to "Keep an eye on me." I get a voice in the deffense of the city I have chosen to call home. We all win here people. Unfortunately, it is not up to anyone of us to decide. Not you Mr. Fitch, Not you Vincent, Not you Mr. Dick, Not you Mr.Bastian and certainly not myself. Only Mr. Mordaine can make this dession. So please, let him bloody well make it already! Good evening to you all!

Regonald. Just so you know the primogen seet I hold was not easily attained. Infact one of the tasks I endured was to help save a member of YOUR clan whial you sat on your scaley ass with your multi-language dictionary, amongst other things. As for YOU becomming primogen, I believe that the basis, and timing of your request embodies everything that I have ever known of the setite clan. Take advantage of a prince whial He is weekened by the kooks with no way to defende his mind aside from the well done ways of clan tremere and its members within our city. But as for your besmerchment. . . Hey My Lasombra friend and I would be all about taking care of some people that are bothering you aslong as we have the princes permission to deal with them as we wish. Other than that. . . have a nice nite.

usually when a kindred takes a seat on the council it is because of a great act or a natural aptitude for leadership. i dont think that taking advantage of an insane man constitutes as either of these. for christs sake you brought him a goddamn parking meter filled with nickels. he gave the "gangrel" who does have a name you inconsiderate bastard Cam status and primogency through helping out against one of your little pets. the lasombra has actually helped in the fight against the ex-archon mallery and in the retaking of chicago where it was just he and i against the bishop. he ran from us like a bitch. so dont sit here and sling mud against others when they have actually proven their worth to the Cam while you have just spent your time doing petty theft. everyone of us who you have mentioned is worth at least 5 of you.

Let us leave the Lasombra out of this ordeal.

Hello once again to all my friends here in East Lansing! It is I once again, your setite Ambassador! I would like to remind of you that My request was to the Prince of the city. You see, he owes me a major boon, in return I would like a seat on the leadership council of the city I live in and hold influence over. I represent no other interests but my own. I offer no information about my affairs than any other Kindred is required to give. What secrets are you willing to share Mr. Fitch? What skeletons in your closet are you willing to bring forth? Your price, Mr. Fitch, is ridiculous since your city already has one independent on it's council (Gangrel) and talks of allowing a Lasombra Primogen memeber circle the city. Mr. Dick, I apologize if my desire for an apology offended you. Unfortunately the appointing of Primogen lies solely with your Prince. As Mr. Fitch so planely put it you do not live in a Democracy. The decession is yours Mr. Mordain, will you except my aid in the defense of your city? Good Evening to you all!

I do make mistakes and I will continue to make them. I live with them, I learn from them, I accept them, I pay for them, but I do not regret them. Your attempt to challenge and use guilt against me is as absurd as your latter statement of equality. We do not live in a democracy. True democracy is nothing but mob rule under a clever disguise where any one with a bit of charm can command the masses. It was unacceptable for the ancestors of the people you see walking the streets and it is nothing but wishful thinking that we in our way of life with our greater potential and abilites could possibly attempt it and prepair for the myraid of contingincies that spring forth. If you believe this "New World" to be an example of democracy you should examine its actions and brace your self for a shocking realization. Because of who we are, we are powerful. With power comes responsibility. The more the power the more the responsibility. Until we give up the glamourous facid that democracy puts forth and go with something that is more tangible and utilitarian that which works will consistantly be plagued with those who feel that they can do what they want, when they want, regardless of consiquences or reprecussions under the guise of their "rights". Not to say that our current way of life in our city is wrong, on the contrary only the expectations of our rights and responsibilities needs to be clarified. Rights are not given, they are not an innate circumstance for existance, they come at a cost. Our way of life is dying because we cannot work together in a unfied effort. This is something that those who work against our way of life and the independents do without fail to a singular goal. Now we have an independent who wishes to gain more rights and responsibility in our way of life that the kooks in our city were rejected under lack of family members. Their has been distance or actions taken against those contrary to our beliefs for a reason and is something that in my opinion should not be lightly disregarded. If this independent wants this position I recomend that he teach us his way of life and find a family that is already accepted in our society that wants him as their own.

Man you are all a bunch of damn whiners. just get over it, deal with it, or shut up. Reginald, i am so sick of watching you bicker with everyone else i am going to do everything and anything in my power to make sure that you dont get your seat on the council.

For all of our sakes I do hope that, in fact, there is no one "snooping in" on our message board for if they were they would surely see our kind as quarrelsome children. Discussion and the like is wonderful my friends, however vain attempts at proving ones "ball size" over a computer terminal I find quite pathetic. Our ages all exceed that of kindergarden children. At least to my knowlage this is true. Let us show our noble blood by enacting some mature portions of our intellect. Good evening.

Mr. Tommoson, oh hell, why waste the effort.

Hello again my friends in East Lansing! It is I, your Setite ambassador!

Mr. Fitch, is it my assumption then by your post that you do not apologize to anyone who is not in the camerilla? Tsk Tsk my good man! You have admitted to making a mistake. Be a man and apologize for it. If it is status that is holding you back old boy, I am recognized in the city by your Prince.

Vinny, if you would have been polite enough to post your name from the beginning then I would not have made the allagation that you were an anarch. The "Boast" of speaking dozens of languages is in fact truth. I could list them but I care not to bore people. You obvious dislike me for some unknown reason even though we have never met. I pity one so young and naive as to judge people by rumours and sterotypes instead of actions and deeds.

Mr. Mordaine. I do appologize for the size of my letters. As stated in a previous post I am still getting used to these fangled new typewriters called "Computers".

To the rest of the kindred in this city, I say to you only this. My brothers, you knwo that I have never resorted to childish name calling. I have treated all of you equally and with teh respect you deserve. We are all kindred my friends. None of us are superior to the other. Since we are all equal it is only proper mannors that if one was to besmearch another then that person should apologize. Our city is being over run by Anarch rable, that we can all agree on. I have offered my services to your Prince. Yes, I did ask for a seat on your Primogen council. I have a right to have a say in how our city is run. I would represent MY interests, not that of my clan. My offer of assitence still stands my prince. Will you have me as an ally? Good evening to you all my friends!

Mr Thomson, this apology for my actions that you desire so much you will not receive until such time as your boon pans out, you make the change over to one of our existing clans that believes in our way of life, or my own clan goals dictates it necessary. The wild men of our way of life were just recently given the choice to either keep our ways or become independent. As far as I am aware your kind have never taken to our way of life. In such you have different goals, values, responibilites, and desires that may hinder or contradict our own and until such time comes that these can be proven I see no reason why you should hold any position in our way of life. From what you say you wish not to be associated with Essueti, you wish to be an individual and in such case the position you seek would be unappropriate. Even if what you say is true to your word you are asking us to give you permission to accept a positon to represent your family who may all be exactly like Essueti. As for my actions I did break our traditions. Out of mere luck I believe that no one that is not of our ways had witnessed this. I will accept any punishment deemed worthy of my kind for my actions If they deem it so. If they deem that my luck alone will save me from such a fate then I will accept this warning and count my blessings.

Well Mr. Tommoson once again you have shown us all how much of a fool you are. First off if it was I that posted those messages before an immediae apology is due from you for your accusations of me being an anarch.
Secondly, I do not speak thirty one languages. Your pathetic little boast stated that you "can spell every word in dozens of languages far too comples for your mind" I speak seven languages. In order for your bost to be true, adding "dozens" of languages to that number would be 31. Since this is obviously not the case, you have proven yourself to be a braggart, a liar, and a TWIT.

and the sightings of multpile princes was not due to mordaines dementia, it was due to Mr. Fuzz and some really dopy looking guy masking themselves as him. Pretty apparent to anyone who cared to look.

Oh, Mr. Tomosson, if you could refrain from posting such a large font on this board, it would be appreciated.

Running the show? Of course I am, to a degree. I know not what you speak of regarding this "Free State" thing. The Anarch presence will not be, and has minimally been, a problem. Why this bickering? Can you not settle this fiasco like adults? Or at least mature beings? And as far as being "inconvenienced", I am still figuring out what exactly happened that night. Very strange indeed. I apologize to anyone I offended or struck....with a sword or what have you.

Well thank you Mr. Shiznep for determining whom our mysterious hacker was. Vinny my good man, I have no idea what you are referring to with the prince. All I know is that the good man was without his wits for most of the evening. Any sightings of multiple Princes could have been from his delusions. I honestly have no idea who you are good Sir. What is it that you have against me? My problem was with Mr. Fitch using Dread Gaze on me. I hope we have cleared that all up. I have nothing against you or your perception of my God. I respect your opinion, jaded as it may be. If you do not like Tea and crumpets perhaps we could debate over of Vitae? I look forward to debating with you further good man. Any gentleman who can speak 31 languages is a scholar worth conversing with I say! Good evening to you all...

interesting. So far since my arrival this city has been a free state, a sabbat city, and a cam city... funny thing is, mordaine seems to be running the show.

Perhaps. I personally think that you have bigger fish to fry. After all, haven't you heard that Lansing is a Free State and not a Camirilla city any longer? Perhaps you should do what you do best and remain oblivious to the world going on around you.

actually mr shiznep, Mr. Mordaine and I were planning on speaking with you last saturday, untill the prince was, inconvienenced. Perhaps we should plan on it this week

Oh really, please, give me a bit of credit here. :) It isn't exactly hard to see what you do when I am standing right next to you when you are doing it. Please, I have NO need to masquerade yor ip's seeing that I own them. And as far as the Setite assuming that you were an Anarch, that is his mistake. I just happen to know the truth of the situation. I have all of the evidence on video tape...That replicator script that you setup...all of it. Perhaps you would like to see it? *chuckle*

really, and here I thought all the old school people knew the difference between hacking and cracking. Perhaps you should stop destroying your own credibility. You've allready proven that you're capable as posing as me online, spoffing my IP, riding my frequencies... too bad really, before you demonstrated that people actually thought that you may have been telling the truth. But now you've shown them all that you just pose as me and manufacture the evidence against me. Brilliant *applause*

oh, and in case you weren't paying attention... the previous posts were made by an anarch.
I guess I'll let you and the settite determine which of you is the moron.

Oh, Vinnie, give it up already. What is your obsession with the board being monitored by the FBI. I've told you once, and I'll tell you again, it is secure. Perhaps you should learn how to USE a computer before you claim that something isn't secure. You do sloppy computer "hacking". I invented what is now termed as "hacking". You hide behind a rumor that YOU started about the board being unsecure. Why don't you just stop trying to smack talk the nice Setite man behind your little...cloak of deception and lies.

Oh yes, the one that is shutting your back doors down. I'm sure by now you've figured that out..maybe. In any event. That was me. You can keep the ones that you still have...They are of no importance to me and frankly you have become a bore to me. You claim to be something that you aren't. You are what some mortals would call... a p0z3r.

Have a nice day. Oh, and congratulations on the retaking of Chicago to the rest of you. My sire will be most pleased.

to answer your questions.
1. anyone who knows that the FBI is still monitoring this board and doesn't want the mortals knowing their identity
2. apparently not, since often those who help are simply gunned down or ignored.
3. the mastery of a language, or simply the knowledge of the component words that one would use on a regular basis is a strong indicator of one's intelligence. Now, unless you speak more than 31 languages I'd suggest you retract your statement, as it appears to be nothing more than hot air and overcompensation.
4. oh really, does that mean you weren't one of the people impersonating the prince? or perhaps you'd like to actually state the so called breach you're referring to.
5. colors maybe, but the size is a bit much, stop trying to make up for your shortcomings.

and finally if you automatically assume that anyone who prefers to remain anonymous is an anarch, then I think I know a few nosferatu who would like to discuss things with you.

tea and crumpets... oh yes, what a wonderfull idea, I'll throw that noxious crap down my gullet so that I can then retch it forth along with the precious blood that keeps us mobile. What kind of disgusting creature are you that you would continue to debase yourself with the vulgar needs of the kine.

Mr. Tommoson, I believe there was Discipline use on your behalf. While not a violation of Elysium in and of itself, I believe the Discipline was a violation of the Tradition of the MASQUERADE. Lucky for us, there were no mortals there...

Greetings to you again my East Lansing friends! I was saddened by this last post but not surprised. Allow me a simple retort in regards to the allegations against me:

1: Who but a cowardly anarch would post and not leave his/her name.

2: Are not Kindred in this town judged by their actions and not by the blood of their birth? I only mention this because of the Lasombra you have.

3: Is spelling also a requirement for membership? I assure you good sir that I can spell ever word in dozens of languages too complex for your mind. I cannot however, use these fangled new typewriters you American's call computers worth a fig.

4: I have never broken the rules of your Elysium. However they have been broken on my person.

5: I use colors and fonts to cheer up your gloomy black and white message board my good man. Just because we are dead does not mean we have to act so bloody dreary my good man!

I have always been truthful and willing to help your cause my friends. My clan gave weapons and supplies in your victory against the sabot in Chicago. I personally used my influence to help track the anarchs last Saturday. Your Prince has even granted me a major boon. So, yes I do feel that I should be trusted. I also feel I should be granted a voice on your council. Look at it this way my cowardly anarch friend. That way you can keep an eye on this worshiper of the god of "Deceit", "Destruction", and "Corruption". You seem to be quite a historian since you know more "information" about my god than even myself. Perhaps you would care to debate some evening at my haven over tea and crumpets? Good eve to you all!

I write to you who I consider family from the confines of a veredant haven. I would like to offer my most humble apologies for my actions against all of my kin, especially those who share my blood. Any of my children should reach me for a quick discussion, and I would like to speak to the primigen as soon as possible.

well Mr. Settite, I'd like to ask you one simple question. How are we supposed to take your intellectual pursuits seriously when you can't even spell Primogen properly, or more specifically, even spell it the same way twice. Also, if you wish to be accorded the benefits of our elysium, perhaps you should attempt abiding by them yourself.
Now I understand that many members of your clan suffer from a feeling of loss when they realize that their members cease to function upon embrace. However your large colorful font is a really poor way to cope with this and is a disgustingly blatant sign of overcompensation.
Now, I must admit, I'm as unfamiliar with the concept of a "copentent" decision, as I am with that word. However, we have been through the concept of a settite primogen before, if you would care to meet with your predecessor in the matter it can be arranged.
Good Faith?
*ROFL*
good faith... from a man who follows the ancient egyptian god of DECEIT, TREACHERY, and DESTRUCTION.
I pity anyone who takes you seriously.

I believe this is due to the fact neither the Sheriff nor the Keeper of Elysium has been present in some time. Does anyone know where they might be?

Greetings to all my friends here in East Lansing. It is I again, your Setite ambassador! Just a couple notes of interest from events that have happened over the last fortnight.

Chicago has been retaken by the Camerilla, jolly good boys! Jolly good! Unfortunately it seems some of the rable has made it's way up here. I would like to offer my assisstence in this matter. My purposal is that I be granted a seat on your primagen council! Therefore I will be there in the planning of all the action. I would consider this the repayment of the major boon you owe my person my prince...

I would like to talk to you people about respect and manners. I understand that many or even all of you have hurt fealings over your percieved mistreatment at the hands of Eusetite. However, I am most certainly not her. I have tried to treat all of you with respect. I have invited you to my domain for tea and chess. I have accord all of you with the respect and dignity all kindred deserve. How do you repay my kindness? You call a bomb threat in at my party. You use vampiric disiplines on me in your own alysium. (Breaking your own bloody rules!) Now since I understand your percieved misconceptions about my clan I will forgiveless this lawlessness against my person. I do so in good faith. All I ask for in exchange is one small thing. I would ask that in accordance of good mannors the individul who besmearched me on saturday, Mr. Fitch, present me with a proper public appology on this board and sufficiant reporations for his actions.

Well that is all for now my good friends! I look forward to chating with all of you this saturday. There is no need to worry about this anarch rabble. I am confident my fellow primigon and myself will come to a copentent solution to the problem. Good evening to you all!

The Michigan State Police made a grisley discovery early Tuesday morning when they found the flayed skin of a small child in a dumpster behind a convienence store in west Lansing. There had been complaints of vagrant animals trying to get into the dumpster since Sunday, and many customers began commenting on an odd smell. The child to which the epidermis belongs is believed to be about 12-15 months old. Anyone with a lead is asked to contact the Michigan State Police.

I would like to show my gratitude to those Kindred of your city that came to my Domain to assist in it's retaking. I know some of you were anxious to engage a more worthy group of opponents, but the exceptional work you did was more than adequate. Someone from Chicago will be visiting your Domain soon to deliver our compensation to those who assisted us. Again, thank you.

Ok ST corp. Apearantly I am going to be there tonight. So MIKE SETH or ADAM whichever one of you governs what characters are brought. Please bring Bastian Reinhardts' character sheet. Thanx

Dear friends, I have recieved news that a cat preserve reciently posessed a panther untill they sold it to what they believed to be a wild life preservation. But was actually an exotic game hunting location. I will be leaving the city for a short whial to make sure this doesnt happen again. My child Malaki will be primogen of the clan, if any contest this. . . I will come and deal with this personally. He also has all of my privlidges and permission granting athority untill I return which I may revoke at will after I come back to lansing. Have a nice night.

I never received your downtime, John...

I did not get an asnswer from adam if my influence stuff went through during downtime, if not e-mail me

All assistance given to Prince Maxwell's effort will be looked at fondly in my eyes. As Camarilla loyal Kindred, we must support our fellow members, especially when retaking a major city such as Chicago, fore if they fail, who will be next?

If you want to assist Chicago, it will take place between 7 and 8 on Saturday. If you would like to commit Influences to assist, you may do so, but they won't be available that week for downtime. However, if you've read how important they were in the retaking of New York in Nights of Prophecy, it would likely be worth it. Transportation to and from is being taken care of unless you would like your own private means. If this posts twice, I apologize.

Kindred of Lansing, due to some generous feelings in the Camarilla leadership, they have spared us some necessary equipment and personell to help in the retaking of Chicago. However, the out of town kindred are needed elsewhere and very soon. We need the aid of your Domain's kindred in the alotted time frame. Prince Maxwell cannot offer anything in the way of boons or material goods, but committing Amaranth will be... overlooked.

And if you could refresh everyone on those movement rules, I would appreciate it. I just want all the math to end.

After alot of rigorous debate on the subject, we will stick to straight MET rules on movement. Goodnight.

here's the simple math
10 yards per second = 600 yards per minute
600 ypm*60 minutes=36000 yards per hour
3600 yph divided by 1760 (yards per mile)=20.46 mph
those are human speeds
multiply by 3 (for legerity)
and you get 61.36 mph
a cheetah has a natural landspeed of 65 mph
the good people at WW decided to give grel fight form a land speed of 40.91 mph
does this sound unreasonable to anyone?
(this of course doesn't take traits beyond 8 into comparison since we don't pay that much attention to detail in this game)

at 18 feet a second you are moving at about 119 mph, which is much faster than 38, just pointing that out. and about the football star comment you are covering 180% of the gentlemans movement per SECOND, which is a tenth of the time. Considering the fastest men on earth can move at 20mph, I think that someone with supernatural speed could move six times that speed. Howeverabout the animals moving at double normal movement, you would theoretically be moving uncomfotably close to the speed of sound. Thank you ladies, and gentlemen, I bid you a good night.

*stands and takes a bow at Georges comment* But I would also like to know and thank Mark "pornstar" freelander. His character acted as an anchor slowing the archon down by planting his teeth into the archons neck and not letting go thus weighing the individual with fleetness down. oh, and to note. A Melanous jaguar (black panther occasionally found running wild in Arizona) can hit 38 mph in 4 secconds. and 1 turn takes a total of 3-4 secconds depending on the ST. and I have celerity people not to mention that feral claws are out at my will when in beast form thus allowing MUCH greater traction. and that last move/killing blow, Was done on a 4 step pounce. Just to let you know. and you all have a nice day ya here. oh, and one last point. The archon busted majesty out and marks character was not allowed to shoot at him. This would have made sence if the archon hadent made a majesty shattering move such as picking up the individual who marks character still thought was his prince to continue his kidknapping attempt. later.

We're going to re-reassess movement stuff in light of some of the comments made.

I possed a question to George that I would like to pose o all of you. In the PAst Fortress has been a game based on it's players desires. The plyaers have not been asked for their opinion of the game for a year now and I would like to change this. What type of game would you like the Fortress to have? Alow me to Clarify: Would you like a strong antiganist game or player driven plots? Would you perfer NPC positions of power or PC's. I can tell you the Storyteller's current philosphy is to have PC's in ALL positions of power (Something we are working on)and limited power NPC's. Would you like a powerfull antiginist? (not nessassarily 1 individual, could be a group) I would like to see intrigue and roleplaying along with Cam politicing and influence wars stressed in the game. Please post on the board on what kind of game you want. Your opinion will no longer fall on deaf ears. Thank You!

Quick point Adam. Hispo can move 1.5 times the speed of LUPUS form. Lupus (Wolf) form gets double movement of homid. Just clarifying.

Page 14 of Laws of the Night Revised, "Do What Works for You". We didn't like something, so we changed it a bit. Kind of like Mr. Wilk making everyone spend 2 points at creation to buy Generation or Mentor.

yep, and the grel clan book, which was written after the fuzzy book decided that it should be double... wonder why. and a "fight form" grel gets to match speed with someone who has celerity 2 (both get 12 steps then) that's not exactly "high celerity"

this is the problem with changing the movement rates from the rulebook.... unless of course someone can show me where the book says you can take six steps without an action.

*applaudes Roland* Well done. Who would have thought that killing an Ex-Archon would have started so much controversy. Oh well....

6 additional steps is quite a bit, it adds up in a hurry. Also, one step covers about a yard when walking. At full speed, one step is about 5-6 feet. Anyway, our point is that we don't think the quadaped should be able to keep up with other kindred with high levels of Celerity, unless the quadraped also has a fairly high Celerity rating. Take into consideration that in Hispo form(a huge frickin' wolf), a Garou only moves at 1.5 normal speed. A Hispo formed Garou should be able to outrun anything that doesn't have supernatural speed activated.

just my input on the movement thing... the average human stride is from 2-3 feet (ie a yard) so 36 steps is 36 yards.
now, most of your allstar running backs can cover 100 yards in about 10-12 seconds, in full pads, while dodging other players. In an outright sprint most of them can do it under 10.
shadow of the beast grants double movement rates because a four legged animal has a great speed advantage over a human (think cheetah, 65 mph)
in game terms this means a panther could travel 12 yards in one round instead of 6 like a normal human. that's still only 12 yards.
multiply that by 3 for having celerity 4 and you get 36 steps, or 36 yards.
100 yards in 10 seconds (decent running back in full pads)= 10 yards per second
36 yards in 3 seconds (shape of the beast plus celerity 3) = 12 yards per second.

so you guys are trying to tell me that a quadraped with more physical ability (ie traits) than a human being is capable of having, and turbo-charged by the power of caines blood can't move an extra 2 yards per second over a normal human? little perspective here people.

Seth, Mike, and I discussed some stuff regarding movement and Celerity tonight. We determined that without Celerity, and taking no actions other than your movement, will get you six steps(no change). Doing so with Swiftness will get you another 6, and Legerity will get you an additional 6, totalling 18 steps. In the case of running while a wolf, big cat, hippo, etc., you are granted an additional 6 steps, NOT doubled movement(i.e. taking 36 steps if you had Legerity and Shape of the Beast, which is ridiculous - you just covered more than a football field in 3 seconds... ow, wind shear).

Hey George can you e-mail me at privatepyle@voyager? Thanks a lot man! /Pyle

Most excellent to be in lansing. I look forward to meeting all of you. The Prince as well. This city seems to have great business opertunity.

I Would also like to note that atleast 1 clan if not more instinctually do so. Reguardless of if they have been told that teaching it is bad or not. Hint Hint gangrel.IC: I would like it known to all of my woodsman brothers, That before we teach anybody else our. . . Art, They must first learn our way of life and our afinity with animals. Atleast the basics. And any who don't follow this, will be dealt with accordingly.

I just wanted to point something out that seems to get overlooked frequently. Clans of vampires hoard their Disciplines like children with candy. As such, they don't teach them without something in return, usually another Discipline AND something else. Furthermore, certain Disciplines are more hoarded than others. Protean, Serpentis, Quietus, Thaumaturgy, Necromancy, Chimerstry, Mythercyria, and Obtenebration require some heavy persuasion, not to mention drinking the blood of someone with the Discipline in-clan. The teacher had better be careful about being frivilous in teaching them as well, or the clanmates might get a little... upset. That said, have a nice night.

Gotcha :)

Level 11, in several different influence areas.

How much would it cost to move Davison 30 minutes to the West? And then burn the previous location to the ground? Would I need a permit of some kind?

If it involves going to Chicago and doing stuff there, go ahead and send the downtimes to me. As for getting extra XP for doing a downtime on a skip week, probably not. However, if there's something really creative in there we might give one.

I am going to have to use several downtimes this week, past the due date. This is because alot of my stuf which is happening is connected with several other people, and their down times, and I am also trying to get certain things done in Chicago, which will require st supervision. Is this kewl with the STs? And do we get two xp for two downtimes during a skip week? That was a good question. . . mumble mumble