now get on your knees, white trash, and scrub that floor with a toothbrush!! AND NOT MINE THIS TIME!!

Zach and I kisses and made up

It causes me a lot of distress watching two very logical players get so upset over LARP. I know both of you, and think that Zach has preformed in an exemplerary fashion in far too many times to warrent the derogatory names he is called. Several times I have seen him save a floundering game. Cho Cho has a lot of charactar which makes larp an enjoyable expierience. A nother charactar bites the dust, but his legacy lives on out of game. I enjoy game I think on the level it was meant to be enjoyed. Remember please when you play that every action your charactar takes is part of the play. The setting is Lansing, and your a charactar with his, or her life on the line if you throw yourself into things too clumsily. This is OUR story, and only vigilence on the part of the players will make it enjoyable. Thank you to the storytellers, and thanks Skippy for the site. Just enjoy the game, and try to give some of your creativity to the plot. We are writers, and even the seas must dance at our commands, and the montains themselves stand only because we will it so.

I have decided that considering i no longer have time to larp every week i will no longer be showing up on a regular basis..i might stop in everyonce in a while when i have time..and to see my freinds..(you know who you are) I hate to have to say farewell but the game is just no longer of intrest to me...i will still be online as far as i know so drop me an email or something...john..if you want to discuss the plot we were running last sat it would be much apreciated...i hope everyone has fun next game..oh and god..will you please shut up..your giving me a headache..lol *MANY VAMPY HUGS TO ALL* *poof*

I would like to attend the Oakland/Rochester LARP that night. That's a Saturday night right? I would though like to know some ground rules first. Basic stuff that covers some of the stuff that *could* happen there. Will that be a skip night for our LARP? Are John and Skippy running it? Will we be using current characters? If so are XP, deaths and events that happen there carried over to our LARP etc? I know it's a month and a half away, but maybe having these questions answered here will save having to answer them individually.

Okay guys... That is my character in the LARP I play in Rochester. Basically, everyone is welcome to come and play a vampire, sorry puppies... It is in a very cool mansion/museum. There will be snacks and pop, but there will be a cost of $10/person. Dave/Skippy or John will approve all characters. I just had this brilliant idea that it would be fun to get a bunch of us together and “make friends.” If you need directions email me. If you have any questions email me... I will be at the LARP the next two weekends so if you have questions let me know... So there is no excuse for you not to come unless you talk to me!!!

Good Evening... I have recently received word of your small Camerilla group near Lansing. I am a member of the Toreador clan in the Rochester (Oakland University) area. I figured relations between our groups would be a welcome change from the monotony of our unlives. A party will be held at the historic Meadow Brook Mansion on the campus of Oakland University on 7 April 2001 at 7 pm. Proper attire requested. My secretary, Bekkah Anderson, will be taking care of the neccessary arangements. Please contact her if you might be interested or with any questions.

Actually Zach, its just how it happened, im not always right nor do i think I am, and im ending this whole conversation, email if u wanna talk. You dread gazed me, and used Wrath of God, why the hell WOULDNT i kill u when u failed twice and i saw you fang up.

God says: STOP BITCHING!!!!!!! LARP IS A GAME!!!!!!! HAVE FUN!!!!!!

Fine cho cho, you did kill that character, you win. Is that what you wanted? Ofcoarse it is, we midaswell as change the name from Fortress opf the minds eye to "Cho Cho is always right". I'm particularly upset by the fact of what happened. So I will be bringing a New character into Game next week, and I will aks that you do not even recognize me In or out of character.

I did talk to John

greetings to all... superior... beings of the general Lansing area...

No you didn't cho cho, talk to John.

um Zach the defense department regrets to inform you i KILLED YOU>

Fine then, meet with me at about 3pm on friday afternoon.

Coo... I'm not the fighting type. I prefer to work things out verbally. I'd be happy to meet with you and discuss topics related to this god entity.

Mr.FWW if you would like to talk about God with me and come to an understanding of my worship I will be more than happy to have a meeting with yourself and whoever you would like to bring along as long as you swore to your god/s that no physical violence will come to myself or anyone else.

Don't you have anything better to do than flap your gums about deities or entities that don't exist? WHO IS THIS GOD PERSON AND WHY ARE YOU KISSING HIS ASS?! Is he some leech with an inferiority complex?

A few points to make and I shall be out of your hair so to speak. As much as it pains me to say this to the Lycanthropes, I am afraid after last saturdays events you are no longer to be within 100 feet of the church as it is my domain. There is, however, an exception, if you come to worship, pray, take communion or confession you will be allowed but only when I am there. The attacks on myself are not what have produced this judication. It is the acts on my flock in which have made this discision clear. If you do show up with out my consent, with the expception of Vas, then you will be breaking your agreement. And the one who is "Evil", by your standards alone mind you, will not be harmed when he is on hollowed ground of the church. If any action will be taken it will not be by yourselves. If , however, an action is taken on this "Evil" one, you will also have the church to deal with. And woe is the being that stands before gods grace and looks him in the eye's defiantly. That goes for the rest of my brethren, call before you come. Reservations are nessicary from now on.

Mr. Cochran, I'd like to apologize on behalf of the wolves for what occurred at the church of one of your kind. It seems as though one of your kind is in league with the very essence of corruption and vileness. Unfortunetly, I only received the information second hand, so I don't know who the individual is. I hope this doesn't put any strain on the agreement we formed. This individual is just as big a threat to you as he is to anyone else.

From what I saw last night, the city is in trouble, my family more so. I have my suspisons that wish to reducate me with ways of blood or worse end my existance, the former more possible. They try this when we should be united under the cause to stop the Metatron of pain and death that breeds in our "cracked" heads. Most of us wouldn;t care if they did whatever they want to me for I am just a mad broken soul in the eyes of the masses. But those who scoff me off as so would rip their throats out in pleasure to die if they really saw through my eyes. Why is this all happening, perhaps it is the way I am. We all steal souls from the masses when we feed our gluttonous wants for life. I know that and it is worse for me for they show me things, what they were before, how happy their two kids were when they played, their wife, thier job. It haunts me as a bad habbit. Scoff this off as a rant from a madman who will be nothing more than ash and memory by next weeks sunrise, but somewhere in most of your dead souls will know that I am right.

Are we gonna have LARP tonite? cause here(Owosso) it is very icy and cold....

There are a few rules updates in the MET Vampire Storyteller's guide. Are we going to implement those? There are also rules clarifications for a couple of the other genres as well in relation to how they affect each other.(i.e. Rage can be used for extra actions, not just for follow ups on successful challenges or attacking multiple foes...).

I was talking to skippy on AIM and he said this yes its disturbing ,DaveCrampton: Had to go fix Joey Zanti's email client. ,Chiney9: tell him i said hi ,DaveCrampton: Too late... I stepped up behind him and it just started working.

If you guys are having LARP withdrawl on your off-nights, there's the web page for the game that I visited this past weekend. Was a good time, overall. Carpe Nocturnae - Rochester

Thank you Zachary, you are all invited of course to a showing at my gallery on Friday the 23rd. I will be displaying som persoanl works something i have yet to share with many of you. As well I have prepared a surprise for those in attendance a gift if you will. Many from outside our city are expected to be there as well as others of my Family. I hope to see you all there.

I hope everyone remembers that next Saturday will be Mr Wing's last evening in the city. He has been a valuable member of the city and he will be missed. Please attend his art show on Friday night (OOC: in downtime only as I understand it). You'll have to ask him yourself where he's going, obviously I'm not going to post it on a public message board. Elysium will be held by him still the following night where I will select his replacement.

I am Leaving this City of East Lansing. I have found it's occupants to not following the traditions as they were ment to be. I am not interested in a city full of neonates running around trying to be better than everyone else instead of working in unison. Someone else will be sent in my stead I am sure of it. I bid you all farewell and I may be back to visit some time. Hopefully the city will be in better hands and turn it's self around with Prince Cochran In Charge.

It was meant as a joke, sorry.

I'm still Watching....sometimes I wish I wasn't but I'm still watching. :)

ok, for those who don't remember the last changling game, you'll recall that I sent the changling info I had (5 or so character sheets) to lisa over AIM because I don't attend changling. During that time and the week after, I informed people that I do not play changling, have no interest in playing changling, and will not book my saturday night around delivering the box to wherever the game is being played that specific night.

I informed several people that if they wanted to get the box for the changling game all they had to do was let me know and I would leave it with them, or they could come get it before the game.

number of people who have mentioned it since then? Zero.

if anyone wants to take care of the few changling sheets I have, get them from the box at the next game, there aren't many so it's not like you'll need a huge box for them.

If nobody wants to volunteer I suggest you know your roles *glares at adam*

you should no more expect me to take care of the changling sheets than I would expect you to take care of the character sheets for my trinity game.

so who wants to volunteer?

Not that it's going to help anyone for this Changling Game, but here's the link to White Wolf's Shining Host sheet download site. Someone who has the box, apparently doesn't want us Fae folk to have character sheets... http://www.white-wolf.com/Images/CharacterSheets/ShiningHost.pdf

First of all, I'd like to say thank you to all the players that care enough about this game to be pissed off. I have always maintained that the LARP is the players' game, not mine or John's or Seth's. I would like to re-inforce that I still believe that. I did not mean to come across like I thought that the game was mine, or for me, in any way. If the players aren't having any fun, there is no game. Period.

I would also like to say that as the ST corps, we have decided to roll with this. We have decided that ret-conning a scene that was played is worse than rolling with some severe funkiness. So, instead, we've developed some plots around it. Not just plots, but Plots. >:) Be forewarned. Mu-ha-ha.

In closing, I'd like to say that I hope that everyone will keep coming to the game, and I'd also like a hooker or two if anyone's got a spare. Thanks.

Okay ... I just got here to read the board, and I have to tell you that I am kind of appalled at the amount of bitching that is going on. I don't pretend to know everything about LARP, or how certain situations are going to affect other characters, genres, etc... My thoughts are this: It happened. That night is over. Because of that night, there are obviously going to be some reprocussions. Now .. as mature role players, in a (somewhat) mature LARP, we all have to deal with them. Just because something has "Never happened before" does'nt mean that it can never happen. So two vampies danced the spiral. What happens from there is going to affect them. It was a decision that they made IN CHARACTER, and with ST approval. Lets all deal with it in character, and get on with the game. Don't you all see the potential here?! There are *SO* many interesting things that can happen! It just all depends on how things are played out. Its not like the STs all sat down one night and said - "Lets think of ways to screw the LARP and the characters." Its not like the two persons that were involved sat down and said - "Lets think of the most outlandish thing that we could do with our characters, and do it." No ... it was IC. I can see that there are concerns here, anyone can, but do you really think that slamming the STs and players is going to help? Is it really going to make anyone feel any better about the situation? I don't think so. We all get together every week to come to LARP. The ST corps come to the LARP, just as we do, of their own free will, and believe me, just like us, they can leave of their own free will. We are all supposed to be friends, and having a GOOD TIME at this GAME. I guess it all boils down to what Jordan was saying in an earlier post .. you all have your own characters. Worry about your characters and what it is that they know. Worry about the things that are affecting them on a day to day basis. Quite personally, there are a lot of things that have pissed me off in and out of game ... but if my character doesnt have knowlege of them, what good does it do me to bitch? I've actually been pleasantly surprised by the outcomes of a few things that I thought, at the time that I heard about them, were unfair, or not right. Lets just all calm down, sit back, and play the game. Lets ride out the storms that come, as we always have.

Just a reminder that tonight we be spinning rafe, er, playing changeling. Even if you've never played, feel free to come in and give it a shot. Hope to see you all there.

Alright, I'm going to weigh in on this now...I'm sorry, skippy and Pyle, but I disagree heavily here. Yes, the STs are in charge, and their rulings are final. But the fortress LARP is no more "their" game than it is the players. The fortress LARP is not the product of any one ST or any core of STs, but of the group as a whole. The STs now will be players down the road, and players now will likely be running the game. So while the STs have the authority to make final rulings, the theme and scope of the game is and should be a collaborative effort. If the STs allowed in, say, highlander characters, or rank 5 garou as starting PCs, then I would suspect there would be debate here as well, as well there should be. If the STs and the game lacks feedback, then the game is going to move away from what the players want and into solely what the STs want, and that results in player exodus. Player feedback encourages a dynamic, reactive game that both players and STs can agree on and enjoy. A one sided game that offers no feedback results in a game with no players. Yes, if people act on this OOC knowledge IC, then there's a problem, but debating whether they like or dislike it and the general mood of the game, on a message board designed for such a purpose can and should be encouraged.

If you have a problem with what has happend to 2 characters that are not your own, you may have some serious thinking about your own character to do first. Is your character's life so empty that you have to worry about what happens outside of the world he or she knows? Do you have enough to worry about yourself? Most of us are playing vampires. You have all of eternity to fill. How does your character choose to fill their etenity? How do they decide to handle the pangs and arrows that life thows at them? Personaly my character ,Breath of Shadows, sees them no differently. One corpse is just like another and only the few of a particular nature are worthy to arise his instinct and ire.

I am gonna agree with skippy on this one. I think that there has been a problem with metagaming and out of character discussions influencing the game. even if it is subconscious metagaming, it is still there. Just concentrate on your own characters please.

Your a very lonely lonely Man, aren't you Jordan?

Ok time to toss in my opinion. What happend in game is IN GAME lets keep it there and rely on our role playing skills to deal with what OUR own charictor knows and does not know, and honestly if you as a person not capable of doing that.. well then LARP is NOT the thing for you. If your out of charictor do not like some event that has happend in game, then why not be quiet, and instead of yelling and screaming nad whining about it worry insead about what you Charictor knows and be done with it.. just like you do not know what I do week to week in my personal life.. insead you know what is in yours and deal with it. would it be so much to do the same in LARP, and in that be a Real Role Player??? How about a suggestoin to help this out.. if it is not your scene keep your nose out of it, if your in the scene tell no one about it out of charictor, and if you tell anyone keep it IN charictor. But thinking about it when we are there paying should we not be IN charictor till the end, with the exception of needing to ask a question about a ruling or the like. Granted I know ALOT about what hapens IN game. but I never play my Charictor with knowledge he has not obtained IN Charictor. I am not worried about any incdent that happens unless it touches my Charictor IN game. but I think the biggest thing to remember is that it IS a GAME.. ment to have fun, not arguments and heated tempers. If I wanted that I would go back to my real life. LOL. Ok, now it is time to see who get pissed off and who agrees with me. *gets off his soapbox*

zack...you suck hairy skippy monkey balls too...and..AND...you masticate one bow legged female's bushier than don king's hair-do hoochie coochie mama's thingamajigger...and think it's kinda nummy..

I have recieved a few emails and I would like to explain something to all of you that you may not have noticed or evenb thought about.



I take ALL critisism and build upon it. It's just sometimes how I recipricate it that starts arguements and such. I really do , contrary to popular belief, want to get out of this asshole rut I have dug myself in. I am sick of playing myself, it becomes obtuse to me. I don't like it but it just comes out when I sometimes think of how -I- would deal with it instead of my character. I think everyone struggles with this as well it's just how some deal with it that makes them better roleplayers. I would like to think that I am a somewhat of a decent roleplayer, but someitmes, like stated before, I end up handling the situation how I myself would do it. Like most of myself most of my characters have been callous, condecending and well, basically ass heads in certain situations. It's a gradual affect sometimes and others it just comes out. I am however striving to become a better roleplayer and play different things, I will not undo what has been done with Jimmy because it Has been done. Taking it back would totally defeat any plotlines and what not he has or will be involved in. With that I hope you guys can understand that I do take in everything you say and even though some times, well most of the time, I do not like the critisisms I do pay attention to them and build on them. I am effectivly looking towards playing different things and trying to get out of a rut in which has type cast me. Critisism is welcomed, but please be polite about it.

dave...you suck hairy skippy monkey balls..um..and do you like cheese...with our with out cans of whoop arse?.

My writing teach once told me not to ask a question I didn't want answered. Rhetorical or otherwise. Really all I want is for what people have said to be taken seriously by the people it was directed at. We're all adults and aught to be able to take a little criticism without jumping out of our boots (or shoes or high heels or Ward's mom or whatever).

There will be an accounting of the Lupines who were at the battle at bone hill. I believe I promised them a boon.

I actually do have reasons to search out(NOT hunt) Wixx, none of which are related to having danced the spiral.

Sorry Dave, my question was supposed to have been rhetorical. My bad! :-)

Please, whoever is posting anonymously, please stop or email me with who you are. Please do NOT post anonymously unless you are John, me, or Seth. We really don't need anyone else posting as NPC's. If you are a PC, put down your email address so that we as storytellers can tell who posted.

As for the debate about the plots last game, I would thank you to CONTACT A STORYTELLER PRIVATELY WITH YOUR QUESTIONS. All postings to this board will be summarily ignored. We will reply to postings to our private email addresses. Thank you.

That was an IC question... sheesh. I hope by the point in which someone has made a character, they know the generalities regarding the OK'ed clans.

A caitiff is a vampire with no clan. They can have any of the basic disciplines (not clan-specific) at character creation.

You ask someone to answer a question then you call for an end to debate. What's all that? I can understand wanting to be done with this. You dont want to give away your plot details and have any more metagaming and all that, however what's done is done and you've already said you dont want to take it back so now all the rest of the characters have to deal with the chaos. After all is said and done I didn't think my comments were all that inflammatory. I am satisfied with what John has come up with to resolve the results. I'll put the rest of my comments in e-mail so as not to stir up any more than is neccessary.

and I quote "If I say that there is a banana sticking out of a methusela's ear, then there is indeed a ripe piece of yellow fruit sticking out of a hole in the side in that thousand year old vampires head."...I believe it was the great Ward that said that. :)

Ok here is some official werewolf rulings straight from the mouth of Seth:

1: The Sept. Alpha was NOT, I repeat, NOT watching Slap Nut during the spiral dance. I mean there was the little matter of the graveyard celestine spirit. DUH!

2: The 1 power point awakened water spirit that the Garou are using to Scrye with was utterly obliterated by the MILLIONS of banes located in Malfeas. (Please check previous post on the griminess that is Malfeas. Do you really think anything of Gaia could live? Especially something that only has 1 power point??)

3: You would have no in-character reason to search out Jimmy Wixx. Wolfy supplied the Garou with 7 targets to Scrye. The loss of one makes very little difference.

I must once again reiterate my disgust at the continuation of this debate. All you are doing by debating is showing disrespect to the Storytellers for their storytelling ability and disrespect to the two players in question for their role-playing ability. I will close by saying this: Never say "Can not be done" in a fictional world, especially the World of Darkness. Do I have to remind you of the golden rule, "If you don't like the rules, change them"? I also would like someone to describe to me what "Normal" is when dealing with a game world that includes Vampires, Mummies, Werewolves, Mages, Hunters, Wraiths, Fairies, need I go on? Please people let this issue Die!

What is a "Caitiff"?

To all of those that are concerned about my well being, I am fine. To all of those that are curious as to what I am, that has been discovered. You may consider me Caitiff. That's the closest title in your society that would fit to what I truly am. If you wish my help in matters of computers or occult, just contact me, as Frank has. However, I will not be accepting any invitations to join any clans. I am what I am.

Unfortunately the unfortunate happenings of last game have seriosly altered my view on the coming events my freind. I sit in my condo oblivious to the happenings around me.Dear god help me. . . I. . . If you are truley my freind help me. PLEASE. . . (out of charactar) sorry I haven't had a ride to game. I will be by to clean up your mess later. luv ya all. Bye

Okie... *uses Sense Wyrm* OW! *Sensory overload, please stop using the gift or your head will explode.* What the Malfeas is that?! And so the hunt begins....

Sept alpha watching a couple of nos when the grave yard spirit is ripping everyone in half? Hhhmmm, whats more important, watching a leach with scry,or watching the cubs that are in your sept and make sure they're safe with scry... hard choice there, if an NPC was watching all of this thats stupid, no no thats fcking wrong. Such things have always had to be done by pc's in the vampire game and I don't think the werewolf game should have any special abilities. Also John asked for his post to be the end of the thread. You will comply, or be assimilated.

Some of the responses to the BSL situation, in the MET forum on the White Wolf page, are quite... entertaining.

Nobody as in the Sept Alpha watching the Scrying Water? Hmm...

Just remember Adam, No one knows that it has happened. :)

Amen, brotha Dave. There will be a plot revolving around the BSL's(Black Spiral Leeches). It involves the Garou finding them, ripping them limb from limb, burning the remains, and pissing on the ashes.

I personally have only two small objections to said vamp-spirals which is similar to level of aggrivation with the "Terrorist Bombing" which has put the entire city on a criminal lynching mode.

1) Can Slapnut and Spinny play non-chaotic characters? I wont go through the long list but experienced players know what I'm talking about. Maybe they dont know how but it's something that might be interesting to explore in the future. I know I have the opposite problem: trouble playing corrupted chaotic characters (without dying). I guess it comes down to how one can have an effective character who doesn't just sit around doing nothing.

2) High levels of chaos should be made more difficult. I realize the split second decisions made in LARP can be hard to judge. Maybe you've got your mind on some other "more important" developments when a spin player comes up and asks whether he can have 500 gallons of propane, but unfortunately you've got to go make damn sure that all that is neccessary to complete his plot is done correctly. After all if destroying skyscrapers was easy I'm sure it would happen all the time. Just like walking the spiral. If no other vampire's ever done it (and I'm sure some have tried over the millinea) it aught to be as near to impossible as it gets for the not-even-elders we have in this game. Who knows what the effects may be, that's not up to me to decide, but judging by what's been written about it it doesn't sound like something anybody normal would WANT to do.

Anyway I'm just throwing in how *I* would handle things and maybe that's inappropriate since I am *not* handling things. I of course have a vested interest in normalcy being the prince. All I really care about is that the storytellers hear my concerns and keep the game at a point where both chaotic and dramatic players can continue to have a realistic playing experience.

Although i am new to the larp in my past role-playing and storytelling experiences i have learned that quite often the player like to know that the game they play in is by some means normal , and fails to have Mummified-Bastet/tzmisce hybrids, with true faith in set.The point i am trying to make is this, I can see the players point on the issues with the scence that occured with the Sprial-Dancing vampires.....but just a hint to all in disagreeance of that plot.Ignore it..Just because the storyline is there doesnt really mean you have to take part in it.All i would request from our friendly ST staff is that they enforce the RP that will now be much different for all of those vampire who did dance the spiral. Thats my 2 cents, Jacob , the Newbie Methuselah

Danke hehe

Danke hehe

Thank you John. :)

Hello everyone. I think I've let this one simmer long enough - time to seve it up. Reminder to all: knowledge of the spiral dancing vampires is strictly out of game - so make sure to respond in kind next game. Alright, I've been listening to everyone's views on this and I thank you all for your input. You all brought something meaningfull to this discussion, however I've come to a decision. We are not going to rec-con the event of most of the night out of existance, I have always thought the strongest trait an ST can have is to roll with the punches that player unpredictability has thrown at him. I intend to do so in this case. In fact, upon reflection, I can see some potential for this psudo-plot, if guided correctly. Therefore, I feel that this plot (not the whole dreamer thing) is best suited to be run by the head storyteller - with some help from my werewolf staff. Some people may want to yank these characters from the game (at least as PCs,) with sound reasoning, I ask for patience and trust from these players. As for Mike and Zach, this is an opportunity for the two of you to have truly phenominal roles. If you waste this opportunity or make light of what your characters have done, I will not hesitate to yank this. Otherwise you have the chance to play the slide twards absolute damnation, which is a place far darker than either of your characters ever planned on going. This is my say, I think this thread is now done. Any further comments on this will be welcomed at my e-mail address.

Revered Friends,

I know that we are looking for a second meeting place. I would be happy to attempt to buy a home for us to do so in. I have a large amount of money.

I do wish it to be known however, that if any...and I do mean ANY...misconduct is done there, I will deal with it harshly and swiftly as it will be my domain and I am very protective of such.

If anyone needs to contact me about our secondary location, please do so.

The effected Vampires were placed on a Path and therefore no different than A Sabbat player character or a Gangrel player character on the Path of Feral heart. Both have been allowed in the recent past without 4 days of bitching on the board. In fact I still see people lobbying for an all-sabbat game. Therefore I do not understand anyone's problems with the current situation. As a mater of fact I find the arguments hypocritical. Let it die! It is arguments like this that is allowed to continue end up causing lots of players to leave the LARP or the LARP to fold. Is that what people want? I mean I have NO problem finding something else to do on Saturdays...

while its true they are primarily antagonists, they're still PCs. What it comes down to is where everyone is comfortable with the notion of "evil levels" for PCs. There are people who are uncomfortable with sabbat, seeing them as too inhumane and monstrous to be PCs (the same goes for the shadow court or house balor in changeling, incidentally). On the flip side of the coin, there are those who see no problems in playing BSDs or nephandi. I brought up new bremen not to say "we should do this" but to point out that some games DO do this. Its up to the game and its players as a whole to decide whether they're comfortable with the notion.

Lansing State Journal

section B, page 4.

The Bishop over the Catholic churches in the mid Michigan area has requested aid from the Vatican due to the murders of 6 Priests over the last 2 months. The Catholic church has only issued a statement to the effect that the perpetrators of these murders will be caught and brought to justice. In the mean time the posts of the murdered priests will be filled in the next two weeks.

Well, considering I am playing one of the characters that was affected, that perhaps I should explain a little bit. What my character did, he did 100% in character. I've explained to the ST's as to WHY he did it. I don't believe that dancing the spiral has converted him to 100% evil inside *makes intel sound*. Has his humanity changed to a path. Yes. Does he think differently now. Yes. Does that make him evil? No. He will radiate Wyrm to ANY Garou that attempts to detect it. However, he still holds his beliefs on pretty much everything he always has. He has not undertaken the valderie(sp). He is not Sabatt. He did what he did and no, there is no going back. It does not change his plans for the immediate future at all. It actually makes him more fun to play given the fact of the path that he is on. I would hope that the ST's have enough faith in my RP ability, that they will allow me to play out my character. If they wish me to retire him. I will. However, I personally believe that it is up to the ST corp to decide, not the players of other characters because they don't want to deal with a character such as mine. If the ST's ask me to, I will...otherwise, I will continue to play my character.

I'd like to apologize for bitching here about the Spiral plot. I was never informed by anyone that my complaints should not be aired in a public display; apparently I missed that meeting. * In response to the comment that BSDs and Fomori are allowed as PCs, I only have three points. The first is that the Book of the Wyrm is specifically _not_ a player's guide to BSDs. It is no more designed for that than the Book of Madness is a book on how to play Marauders or Nephandi. It simply codified rules for antagonists. Second, the Fomor are, in my mind, significantly better as PCs than BSDs- as the opening fiction and text throughout Freak Legion show, many Fomor are unwitting pawns of the Wyrm. This gives them a chance to escape, a chance for redemption. Finally, I believe that New Bremen chat is an exception to the way things are normally done. If I recall correctly, there are very few narrators, and PCs take on the roles of antagonists to pick up the slack. * On the one other point I wished to make, I do not dislike the idea of a Cainite walking the Spiral. On the contrary, I think that full-fledged servant of the Wyrm Cainite make an incredible antagonist for a crossover game such as this one. However, what I find unconscionable is the fact that this character is a PC. * Please do not take any of this as an insult to the Storytellers of the game, of course. I understand that John, Dave and Seth are all very hardworking people, and that when runnning a game of this magnitude things that players disagree with can often occur. The fact that an obnoxious bastard such as myself has only bothered piping up on one issue should be taken as a compliment of the highest caliber. * In closing, I wish to reiterate that I'm sorry for starting this thread, and I'll no longer voice my concerns on this board. However, I implore the Storytellers to think carefully about the ramifications of allowing truly 100% evil characters as PCs. * Thank you all for your time.

This isn't a debate pyle. This is people deciding wether or not they' ll be able to deal with it and therefor keeping people in game, it's important to me what people think and I do want a happy little roleplay session instead of bitching. I am doing this, not the storytellers, I already knwo what has been said, I was there remember?

I would like to end this debate here. As stated a ruling has been made and will not be turned back. I do not care if you bring both Justin Achili and Mark Rein-Hagen to L.A.R.P next session and they both say it cant be done. It has been done and wont be undone. Also, Do not assume that certain challenges did not happen if you were not involved in the scene. This matter is closed and any furthur complaints needs to be sent to the Storytellers via their e-mail address under the "Contact" link. Thank you.

I don't know much about any of this Umbra jazz, not my game. But if the Storytellers decided to do something in game, then let it ride, the World of Darkness is a darker reflection of reality, and in reality, wierd shit happens that doesn't make sense. I have faith in the Storytellers, so my vote is YE.

Listen, if this whole spinny dancing the spiral thing is a problem I will not say that it didn't happen, but if it will decrease the fiction then so be it. Since it is my character I can pretty much do what the hell ever I want with it, you guys decide. If you don't like the idea then say so, if you like the potential plotlines then say so. I wanna know. No more of this "It shouldn't of happened in the first place" because well it did. Just Ye or Nay.

Hey, just a reminder folks but the upcoming larp session is the fae larp. The title of this session will be "dancing the spiral for fun and profit, and to spin rafe who won't be allowed to even though he's a balor". Hope to see you all there!

Actually to be fair the Dreamer did NOT want you to DAnce the Spiral. He knew that Vampires had never survied and did not want to loose two allies. He was pretty much pestered into it. At no time did he want you to die Jimmy, you are more valuable alive. Corruption is much better than death, ask the Followers of Set.

Just to weigh in on the matter of the spiral...White wolf has published guides to playing fomori, as well as rules for BSDs. On their official chats, both types of characters are allowed as sanctioned PCs. While this doesn't mean this LARP should do it, it does mean there is precedent for this sort of thing. whether you actually want to use that precedent or not is up to you.

Just in case anyone doesn't believe the "Malfeas is REALLY bad" point, I'd be willing to bring my copy of Book of the Wyrm in and show everyone how sick and twisted it is. I honestly don't think his arguement was good enought, but it was a good start. The simple fact you are insane doesn't make you stupid. The fact that you follow humanity should account for something. I understand the point that characters should be allowed to do what they want to certain extents, but it's also the ST's job to inform them of possible repercussions when they decide to become the equivalent for all intents and purposes Infernalists. I honestly don't see how a terror frenzy(with a difficulty of 6...) wasn't required for even attempting the spiral. Now, those two characters are marked by the Garou. On top of that, one of them(OOC) knows we can track him and he can't do anything about it... this is all working really out well.

The spirit of the graveyard is gone! Many thanks to those that aided. The vampires that assisted have at least gained my respect. Please do no deeds that would compromise this. Songs will be sung for many nights of our heroic deeds!

Dude heh, stepping into the spiral was and everything he saw did NOT bother my character a bit. He -is- insane. First off he was demented into cutting the shit out of his body, ontop of that he's already a necrophile. Nosferatu have the capacity to be sicker than Malkavians. Plus this puts a new spin on my and Mike's characters, we should be the ones to say if we have a problem with it since we didn't it's fine. It was out IC discision between our characters and an NPC who we made take us into it. The Dreamer was hopeing that we wouldn't get passed the first circle, but we did. The NPC wanted to get rid of us but that didn't happen, and now with a plot finished maybe we can start a new one. Plots are always "wierd" and "unheard" of until the person who calls it that figures it out.

This is to the Clan of the Moon. We are all dancing to the same tune. The two musicains setting the beat of our downfall. They want you to feel what they felt, the horrid passing by frightening creatures. For that the play our swan song. We must face them as a whole, or be sucked in by their self pitty and retrebution.

I am horribly sorry for what happend last night. I've been having some personal problems and agendas that have been effecting my personality, and for that I apoligize.

Perhaps you can enlighten me since you seem to be an expert of my kind? I would be most interested in hearing your "ghost storys" about the black spiral boogy men how take bad little girls who dont behave away and mate with them. I am sure all of the city would find it amusing.

I respect the opinions of any and all players. It is these differences of opinons and perceptions that make the world of darkness great. There was much debate about the Spiral Dance tonight. The storytellers have made a dession in regards to the incident. I honestly think too much out of character knowledge has been spread for you even to know this happened since it envolved all of two characters. This information is valid only to those characters directly effected and not the entire LARP. It is for reasons like this that we have stated several times in the past that if you have a problem with a plot or a storyteller rulling please address it via e-mail to a storyteller. You can find their e-mail information under the "Contact" link.

This is all out-of-character, which I see is very much the exception to the way this board is nominally used. However, being an outspoken son of a bitch means that when I observe something that upsets me, I can not remain quiet about it, no matter how much it would behoove me to do so. Last session I found out through numerous means that a few of the vampire characters walked the Black Spiral in Malfeas. That's fucking intolerable. Malfeas is a plane wherein _everything_ that is good and right in the World of Darkness does not exist. White Wolf has taken great pains to show that the WoD is painted in broad strokes of gray. Malfeas and Spiral are exceptions to this. They are the platonic ideal of black. Malfeas is the psychotic realm where the worst acts of mankind, the acts of genocide taken by Nazis in WWII, the acts of chopping women and children to pieces with machetes in tribal wars in Africa, the actions of Pol Pot, Stalin, Papa Doc Duvalier and their ilk, pale in comparison to the palpable, roiling, capital-E fucking Evil of the place. Setting foot in Malfeas is enough to snap the sanity of _any_ being setting foot inside it; as soon as you enter Malfeas you can not help but know- not think, but _know_- that if there ever was a God, he is long since dead and nothing will ever be right in the world again. Walking the Spiral is infinitely worse, if that were possible. The Spiral is not a place where some Nickolodeon after-school special is enacted upon you and you face down your worst fear. It is a place where you come home from school, go to the medicine cabinet and get a straight razor, and slit your own mother's throat. It is a place where desecrating your best friend's still-cooling corpse in a very intimate and carnal way is not only passe, but required. The Spiral is a festering shithole in the Umbra, where Reality itself bleeds and dies, and even Gaia can only weep for it's loss. Those who have walked the Spiral often do not survive, and if they do, they are irrevocably changed. They do not run about giggling about how "cool" the experience was. They eat their own flesh, just because they fucking can. They are no longer redeemable. Every vampire in the World of Darkness has choices available to them, the ability to do something "right". Not so those that have walked the Spiral. They are nothing but pawns of an evil so ancient that even Cainites can not fathom the depths of it. Even the Sabbat, maniacal blood-drenched bastards that they are, realize that there's something inherently wrong with given up everything in the service of the darkness itself. Characters that have walked the Spiral should NOT remain PCs. There is nothing cool or fun about a character that has no chance to ever make things right, there is nothing to be encouraged in playing such characters.

how long do the character history's have to be to get max points for non-malkies?

What a suprise... lying about how the dancers propogate.

I apologize. In my last post I encluded the Keyword for my personnal web site. Although colorfull and entertaining it will not help you in contacting me. Please refer to the keyword below. Good eve to you all...

My name is Thomas Jonas Dreamer III. As for spelling you should council with the weaver invention called "Spell Checker". It is what changed the spelling of mammal. I care not for your rumors of Rape. You are pathetic creatures on the losing end of an ageless battle who now must restort to false accusations and name calling. How very sad. I hold no secrets, I tell no lies. Perhaps you should try the same tactics if you hope you to defeate me in verbage contests. Good eve to you all...

I know how you are conceived in the biological sense, fool. Yet, most other mammals(learn how to spell, if you're so bloody intelligent) do not need to resort to RAPE and KIDNAPPING to procreate. You _chose_ to dance the black spiral, and in doing so have damned yourself. As for not giving my name, it has nothing to do with cowardice. You seem reluctant to give your name as well. It seems as though a kettle is calling the pot black, does it not?

Oh, one more thing. To this singular Gaian Garou who is too cowardly to give his name. The members of our tribe are conceived the same way all mamals are conceived. Do you need a lesson on the bird's and the bee's? I suggest going to the Deja Vu. Good eve to you all.

You ask what ritual we go through when we are created? Like you know the answer! You pompous ASS. You assume because you have bee told from ancestors that we are "Bad" or "Corrupt". I ask you does serving Gaia mean killing 22 innocent humans in a bar? Humans whom you seem to so dearly care for now that it is convienet? Does it include throwing a "Leech" or "Corpse" as you call them into your Lake of Silver? How about abandoning two of them in the spirit world with no means of escape? I know, it must mean to wipe the minds of humans and "Corpses" who see you fuck up. You accuse ME of CORRUPTION? I will not dodge from your questions as your kind has dodged the questions of your Vampire neighbours. When we are created we traverse a spiral. This spiral contains many challenges meant for only the toughest among us to complete. The first Circle is a vision shows you the weakness in your soul. You are exposed to all that you are, nothing is held back. This usually drives the week of stature (Mostly other tribe of Gaian garou, not the White Howlers) mad and gives some of our kind bad reputations. The second circle tests the inner rage of a Gaian. Powerful challenges are placed in front were the only chance of survival is through the gift of rage, that which makes us strong. Circle three is a dance of endurance. Circle four is a test of cunning. Circle five tests your Battle Prowess. Circle six is too complex to put into simple text. Circle seven is a test of loyalty. Loyalty to one's pack, tribe, and most importantly, to himself/herself. Circle eight is a dance of paradox. A riddle contest with the Spirit of Enigmas. Finally, Circle nine is the meeting with the Wyrm. Here all lies and deceit are swept away and the truth of the universe is placed in front of you. Those with the willpower to recieve and except the vision go on to Circle 10. The final circle is rapture with the holy triumverant. All questions of life and the universe are answered for you. You emerge from the meeting reborn, stripped of all that you were and raised to new prowess. There you have it Kindred of Lansing. Once again I have been open with you. I have answered your questions truthfully and without hesitation. Now I pose a question to you. Why do the Garou TRUELY want this spirit killed so badly? Why do they come to you now as friends when before they were nothing but insulting bullies? When you find the answers to those questions you will discover the true reason the Gaians are here in this city. If you are in need of me further please get hold of Mr. Wixx, he has my number. Good eve to you all.

The two encounters I have had with the Werewolves of the city have been split. The first they interrupted a fight between the Tremere and the Setites and their retainers by attempting to separate my head from the whole of my body. Fortunately it wasn't a well planned thing and my head remains where I left it. The second was a pleasant discussion concluded peacably enough. While not the best of beginnings there have certainly been worse.

I agree the Graveyard spirit must be destroyed but how best to go about it. After all I seem to have left my spirit bazooka behind in Boston. I am at a loss, so I leave the spirit battle to the Garou for now until an opportunity presents itself. Until then I will watch and remember and offer what resources I can. Glory to the Garou if they can handle what I have not been able to.

You say it feeds from the destruction in the city and I believe it. I am and will continue to do what I can on that front. Perhaps it can be starved if it cannot be destroyed.

We have already lost warriors to the souleating tree and the demon of the drowned. Warriors best directed against our other foes. I do not believe their loss was in vain. Obviously you feel the cause is hopeless or else you wouldn't have asked us to aid you. I urge the Garou to continue to confront it and gather what information they can on its powers, strengths, weaknesses, allies and enemies. Your sacrifices will not go unnoticed or unrewarded.

Take the one example... There are exceptions to every rule. Not all the werewolves presently in the area were present for when that "Ventrue" was slain. He likely provoked one of us anyway. I also don't believe residence time has any bearing on whether someone is a total asshole. As for the Dreamer, he is obviously manipulating you to view us more stereotypically than you already do. Many of us only fight when we have to or are commanded to do so by those of higher standing. Does the Dreamer tell you of how his particular tribe is created? Ask him. Ask him not of those of us who are corrupted. Ask him about how those born into his tribe are concieved. If he tells you the truth, it'll show you just how much more civil he is than Gaia's children.(If you can't tell, that is loaded with sarcasm.)

Well lemme put it this way. The Mortal's situation doesn't bother me a fucking bit. You know why? I can always goto another city. And cowardly? We're not the one's who torp'd a ventrue and threw him into a blazing car killing him. He nhad only been in the city one night and had diedi because of your blindness. More importantly your violence will get you nothing, I attemped to talk to two of you about your kind and ours and recieved a crowbar to my head. You guys seem to be the one's in the need of help. Not us. I'd be willing to talk, but from waht The Dreamer has told me you don't want to. The Dreamer has been more responsive to our needs and we have been kind to him and helped him. You wanna talk then talk, don't call us cowardly or hit us in the head with crowbars. The Dreamer seems more socially inclinde to indulge us, and unless you prove otherwise I think I'll keep trusting him.

Don't stereotype the local werwewolves, you cowardly fuck. We have left the vampires alone for the most part. From what I hear, the only vampires killed have done something against our kind to provoke us. If you had been paying any attention to what's going on, you'd notice that innocent mortals - people the vampires rely on for food - are suffering as well due to the influence of the graveyard spirit. I wonder how that affects how they taste to the vampires? I'm sure paranoia and fear doesn't do well for flavor.

Such is a sad, sad poetic justice for your kind, werewolf. You have called the vampires wyrmspawn, harassed them, killed members of their kind, and even now attempt to get their aid only through offering the halt of hostilities. Through your rage, your intolerance, and your fanatacism to destroy, you have dug your own hole and are now left with no one to assist you. Such is the fate of your kind, and the reason why the prophecy of the phoenix rings true.

The spirit of the graveyard is not one we would serve. It wants the destruction of the human cities near it's nesting area. After receiving the counsel of a benevolent spirit, it revealed that this graveyard spirit wants nothing more than to grow in power for it's own ends. It does this by "feeding" off the energies released during the obliteration of Grand Ledge. I beleive it to be an imposter to our spiritual realm and, again, petition whatever help can be offered. If it gets too powerful, it will result in total chaos in this area.

This weekend, the greater Lansing area has seen its worst murder spree yet. Discounting the terrorist bombing of two major business skyscrapers, and the spree of 15 murders two weeks ago, this last weekend showed us just how low we can drop as human beings. A man, whose identity is still fuzzy, went on a violent spree, killing twenty-two people. None of the details have been released by police, but we were able to appropriate this sketch of the primary suspect: (The sketch resembles Tony, the Brujah) The police inform us that they consider this individual armed and extremely dangerous.

I find it humorous that the Garou in this city, the so called "Protectors of gaia", have decided that this spirit must be destroyed. Do you not serve spirits? Is your purpose not to cleanse rather than kill. So many of you have lost your way, yet you claim we serve "evil". Perhaps the evil already exists in everyone, we have just learned to control ours. I will enjoy watching the graveyard spirit destroy all of you gaians. Especially the Wendigo, whom it once claimed as it kindred...

Tension's? You Guys hit me in the head with a fucking crow Bar! Good god, you guys seem like the one's who wnat to fight, not us. We stay the hell away from you but you seem to pick the fights.


((On a note OOC eric was a dumbass and sold his car to early, so, most of us owosso players (and the better one's from durand hehe) including Me, Eric, Justin and The glasswalker boy john all have no ride. Me may be unable to attend.UNless someone wants to be really ncie like and give us rides we may be up shit creek with out a paddle as the saying goes))

Mr. Cochran, a very powerful spirit dear to my kind informed me that the graveyard spirit is "feeding" off the energies released by the destruction of so many structures and the death of many people associated with their construction. I reveal this in hopes, your kind will assist in working against it. If the destruction continues, it may become too powerful to do anything to stop it. As stated previously, if you, the vampires of Lansing, were to help or completely banish it, I'm sure it would assist in easing the tensions between our two groups.

If I was to deal with the spirit in the graveyard I'm not certain you Lupines would enjoy the results. Has it gotten so out of hand? Give it another try. After all, you want the land dont you? I'll be in touch should you need any favors.

As expected, court will be held immediately I will expect all those kindred who wish an "active" part in the affairs of the city to attend. All positions are to be either reassigned or reaffirmed, as well as status. Duties will be explained and there are several policy matters to be decided upon. Still hopefully the meeting will go quickly enough. After the meeting we will hold a trial for the Gangrel at which anyone who wishes to speak on his behalf or present facts may do so. Mr Wing is commanded to bring the Gangrel to Elysium by 9 pm Saturday for this.

"NPCs are for Killin!"

Nice save Choda Boy. Hehe

I'm a nos too :p

John, I think that is a result of a lot of players either being cutsey Malkavians, or break-stuff Brujah. I might be wrong(and I hope I am), but other than Dave, Blodget, and Sla... er Zach and his Nos buddy, there aren't any non-Brujah or Malkavians.

Just to let everyone know I've figured out when the next skip week is gonna be - the weekend of the 17th. (I have to be in chicago then so I can't run a game) I'm assuming that changling will be run.

I've got to say sonthing here that pains me much...Zach, you...are...(oh got it hurts)..right. The NPCs all have a strong point (possibly even more than one) but each is designed as a person, complete with personal foibles and weaknesses and so far the only people to approch them in that way have been Blodget and Zach. I've noticed that most people treat them like scenery, somthing unchangeable and indestructable. Even the spirit is limited in it's way.

5 xp?! Erm, it's a ONE XP bonus, not five. I dunno where you picked up five.

I see the leeches have not made any comment as to the message regarding the graveyard spirit. I hope you know IT was responsible for the devastation of Grand Ledge and the fires in Lansing. It is well-known among the werewolves you hold influence over the humans. If you value this "Domain" of yours, exercise that influence to rid the graveyard of the spirit.

scratchin' yerself isn't a character goal, busy.

Perhaps if the werewolves were offered the extra 5 experience points it would be enough incentive for the corpses to get off their lazy butts. I mean if you are at all stand offish about the werewolves how will you feel if all the werewolves got a 5 xp boost ahead of you. I don't imagine that it would be too difficult for the entire werewolf genre to each come up with that few goals. Just food for thought.

As I'm only the vampire storyteller, I can't offer that to the fuzzies... from what I've heard, the fuzzies aren't having problems keeping characters active.

Does that extra XP apply to the furries too?

As far as plots go, the storytellers shouldn't really have to come up with any. What Kindred would you expect not to have a personal agenda? Ok, here's an idea.

I am going to offer an extra XP point to every character who gives me a list of five major goals and five minor goals, including explinations of why these goals are there.

This way, the goals become cemented in the player's mind, and people can start figuring out how to manipulate each other to get their goals accomplished.

Also, I'm un-capping Malkavians. BUT every single Malkavian has to have a character history written out before they can be played. Minimum of two pages. And I reserve the right to decline any character.

In my opinion it sems that people run away from plots. The NPC's are playedwell, so well that infact people run from them, Like Eusetti and Gramps. Gramps, well Gramps is a beast, He's got max celerity and potence so no one steps up to him and treat him, well they treat him like an elder. But no one seems to be plotting against them, and Eusetti. *shivver* Eusetti is a social beast, and everyone, well everyone just ignores her, which is dumb and smart. In my opinion the setite thing could have been takin care of a long time ago, but the clue's seem to be way to hard to find. I knew them, but well, I WAS a setite. I dunno, the NPC's aren't unbeatable, they just seem that way.

And John, when you post don't post as St. John. Your an ST not a Saint hehe.

There is near omnipotent spirit residing in a graveyard in Lansing. It's agenda is basically to destroy the local civilization. Should the vampires of this area wish to both lessen the tension between our two groups and save themselves, they will do something to exorcise this spirit.

mmmm...yes yes...blow shit up...fabulous...play a brujah with a derangement...not a malk...malks that do nothing and have no initial and or driving goals to their existance fall into the "pointless" malk catagory...which..amazingly..is rather concurant with silly/goofy malks...thus..not needed...please add some something beyond a surface thought to character creation people..love ya..nudge nudge wink wink...

that's my point about malies... I don't want to play a "cutesy"... I want to play a "I blow shit up" malk... WITH the WoD concept...

hhhhhmmmmmmmm the game seems good to me. I don't knwo about all the grim and spinny plots you guys got going so I'd say just keep doing what you have been and that should suffice. It's not Like I expect alot out of game heh, it's my only social interaction for the week.

I hope it isn't the fact that I might be leaving in april that's causing this slump. Still got a few months of play left in me.

Cutsey bad! Gothic/Horror/Paranoia good!

Hey Solomon. You should try being a werewolf for a day then tell us what you think of our World of Grimness ... er ... Darkness.

Well, a general improver for the game would be an end of the cutsey shit. Its usually typecast for the malkavians but isn't restricted to them. Get less silliness and you get a darker, more serious game. whether people want that or not is a different story.

......Is Floyd going to? ....I'm gonna miss that guy

I am glad that you finally see our end of things Aserax, you had a good run, and on behalf of the city I thank you for doing your job to the best of your abilities.

Well, as far as the game goes, i don't think that it portrays the WoD very well.

Good evening, friends. As many of you already know, I have decided to vacate the position of Prince. Mr. Cochran shall be taking over in my place; he is a good and just man (and I say this not by means of political bullshit, but rather by my own personal dealings with him), and I expect him to be treated with the utmost respect. I also shall be leaving this fair town, for one of a less chaotic nature; however, I will return to provide assistance if necessary.

As a final note, I would like to thank you all for your loyalty and valor in defending Lansing from the vileness of the Sabbat (among other things). May you all succeed and prosper in whatever it is you do.

An effective cainite? 1) Don't divulge information for free. 2) Become acquainted with those in power, quickly. 3) Once acquainted, don't screw with them, unless you know you won't get caught. 4) Observe the Traditions. 5) Leave the lupines alone. 6) Market an ability you have that you think may not be possessed by others. 7) Don't play cutesy Malkavians... it's the World of DARKNESS for cryin' out loud.

Does any one have any tips on playing an effective canite?

Um, I think as far as the boredom level goes, the existing plots don't really filter down onto everyone. Only those who are exceptionally well connected have anything to do. And most of that is information gathering based.

No more end of the world plots please. After saving the world a few times it starts to get either hopeless or boring. Lots of smaller more personal plots to individuals or areas gives a feel of something we can possibly handle but is in our face enough so we don't get bored or feel cattle prodded. How about some real world problems like humans unaware of the supernaturals jockeying for power. On something of a more personal nature would it be possible to get a list of which abilites we can purchase. I was told that I couldn't purchase martial arts and that throwing was actualy just athletics. Hate to make more work for you guys but can you shed some light on this.

SKIPPY... as far as the needing ideas and the such... ask John for the letter that I gave him and that could at least be something... which, last I checked, is better than nothing.. Zach... as far as rides go... I'm fucked this weekend too... but within the next couple of weeks here... I'll have my own set of wheels working... and I ought to be able to drive them to Lansing. It's a Jeep... so bear with the space defficiency...

Greetings, my Colonist compatriots. I shall be leaving your company once again for the cultured city of Paris, as I have re-joined the ranks of the Camarilla and cannot resist the call of its culture and art. I know you will fare well in my absence, or at least fare as well as one can in this bloody shithole. Ta ta.

I personally had fun. The only reason I left was due to the fact that I was so exhuasted that I couldn't keep my eyes open.

(using my vampiric disciplines) Pyle, Return that which was borrowed....return it......return.....

Have legendary BSD's come into the city to harass the vampires. Wait, that already happened... I had fun last game, after I figured out what the heck the blasted graveyard spirit was whining about. I just think the combination of unnamed jackasses bringing videos and a general lull in the atmosphere may have caused the OOC boredom.

Ok, I was pretty disappointed with the game on Saturday. I think, honestly, I could have done a whole lot better job, myself. But when I sat back and thought about it for a bit, I couldn't exactly nail down a plot that was being looked over, or a situation that was ran poorly. People just seemed bored and disinterested in the game. Well, my question to everyone is: What would you like to see in the Vamp game? What would keep your attention? Do you need more storyteller-based plots? End of the world plots? NPC's that guide the way the city's going? Less NPC's? Throw me a bone here, people. :) It's your game, after all.

Well there goes the bone gnawer idea

"Combating the Wyrm wherever it lays doesn't mean the worm at the bottom of a tequila bottle". -Pyle

May not be there this week, ride's are getting thin around here....

LotWR won't be released till April... eventhough it's up for pre-sale for some reason.

If we in the Werewolf genre are going to be changing to the new revised rules soon then it is a moot point to compare the two genres until they come out.

Oh gee, I might lose my basic, starting gifts... it'll only*sarcasm* take me(Busy's been playing his character since... a few months) another 3-4 months to simply get to Rank 2, assuming none of the Renown I have is lost. Even then, I still can't use Intermediate gifts at that point. This doesn't seem like it evens out... advantage fuzzies.

Nope Adam, you just have to worry about Renown. Vampires dont have to worry about losing their disicplines when they loose humanity. Werewolves loose gifts if they dont have the rank to use them. Things have a way of evening out.

Whee, no worries about degeneration for the furries!

The slaughter of 22 innocents...hmm no reason at all. A frenzying werewolf rampaging through the streets killing anyone he runs into dosn't attract much attention. I think I want to rule on the virtue loss now: It'll be up to the ST's choice (perversion, sadism, ect.) as to which virtue is lost along with the path rating.

*LUCIFER* spell my name right... yo.