december '02 comments
Mark, the six players are Skippy, Benny, Brian, and from what I know of Michelle and Jasons plans they will no longer be coming either. Also, you toss around the quality before quantity phrase alot. But you didn't even know who was leaving. So how can one say that? I'm not getting into it any farther than that. But I will mention one thing, you only addressed two of my four concerns. Steve, well, I'll trust your judgement. *shrugs*
- Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 19:40:39 (EST)
Well it is offical, I will be the Werewolf ST starting this coming Saturday at 9 oclock. I hope to see you all there. Everyone is welcome to play. Have a good newyear , email character concepts or history, it sounds like we will be during modern day Werewolf. The Game will be Reset to work evenly with the Mage game. I have spoken to Amy and it sounds like it will be a blast. Until Saturday!
- Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 16:36:31 (EST)
Cho-Cho has my full support for Garou ST. If people are unhappy with Cho-Cho as the story teller I suggest you atleast give him a chance. If He is a bad ST I am sure there is a way to remove him and put someone else in his place. If he is a good ST then we get to have lots of fun playing the game and not worrying about such things. Some of you may not like Cho-Cho as a player but he may storytell compleatly differently tan he plays. So give him a chance have some fun at worst our out a couple bucks.
- Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 13:22:27 (EST)
I would like Amy's input first off, If Amy would like to have the mage game go on Solo for a bit I will support that very muhc so, and perhaps later we can open up one of the Genres if need be. I want Amy to have the choice, she is techinically the Only ST right now. Anything I can do to help her out will be done.
- Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 11:42:28 (EST)
YOu have never been in any of my games, thus you have no idea of my ST potential. Not many have, the few who have know i am very creative and do not have a lets go fight the dragon plot. I look forward to seeing most of you Saturday. Judging on Character histories I have at least 7 people.
Cho Cho - Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 11:28:41 (EST)
Well KLaine, its already a done deal. So I guess oh well? I am gaining 4 people in this also. Who are the Six, Skippy Benny and Kaine x 2? Quality over Quanity.
- Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 11:26:53 (EST)
Also, I wanted to know why Seth has a say beyond any other of the 'Judges' or staff. Seth, to my knowledge, is no longer the Head ST. If that's changed, fine.
Kaine - Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 09:30:37 (EST)
Okay, I'm going to mention a few things on this whole ST issue. Nothing I say here should be interpreted as a 'threat'. It is a statement of fact. I have certain concerns over Cho-Cho taking over the ST position of Werewolf. Now wait, before you say "Buy Kaine, you were going to play a Mage, what happened?". I was going to play Mage because I couldn't play Garou. Amy, this is no insult to you. I'm excited about the character I want to play, but I'm in a Werewolf sort of mind set lately. Concern number 1) It has been brought up to Cho-Cho that Fortress would be losing six players if he takes up the ST position. He didn't mind that, in fact, he stated that the game doesn't matter when it comes to player number. But the quality of the game, which I agree with. But that is part of the place I have problems with things. If from what i have seen from Mark playing or NPC'ing in the Werewolf game is any indication, I don't believe the quality of the game will be up to par. No offense Mark, but all I have seen you do is play intentionally disruptive (with no constructive counterpoint) Garou. 2. Mark has shown time in and time out that he either does not know the rules of the Fortress LARP or just makes them up on the spot. If a person can't even hold up the rules of the LARP when he's not STing, what are we to expect once he is given more leeway? 3) His conduct here on the board has been far less than exemplary. So has others mind you, he is not the only guilty party, but he is the one looking to be a Storyteller. 4) The last problem I have is with the fact that he has as much stated the Werewolf genre will be splitting from the other genre. Part of the cool thing about Fortress is the cross over stuff and the history of the game (no matter how wonky it is). Anyway, these are the concerns I have. I hope they are not just thrown out the window out of hand. Have a good new years folks.
Kaine "The Concerned One"
- Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 09:28:27 (EST)
Wow the character histories are coming in, keep them coming!
- Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 03:25:16 (EST)
Just to let everyone know my standing. I will volunteer to storytell if no one is craving for the spot. As Cho-Cho would like to I have no qualms about making a character and playing. If Cho-Cho and all the other people volunteering for storyteller would rather play characters I have no problem with storytelling. If people find me obnoxious and would like me to leave the larp I have no problems with that either. Sorry I didn't get this up sooner (I was away form my computer all day sunday and monday). My Idea for the chronicle was for a partial reset allowing those with current character to keep them (if the so choose) and keeping the story in the present. Not gonna post anything more just incase I don't end up with the job (wouldn't want anyone thinking my ideaswere officail yet).
- Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 00:11:46 (EST)
Errr damnit, Happy New Year....
- Monday, December 30, 2002 at 23:33:59 (EST)
From what I understand, Steve will take the game if no one else does. I have emailed most of you, whoms email adress I have, and who I felt need to know my ideas. I would like to run the Garou Game, I have wanted to be the ST since last time, when Mike Stepped down, but I was to involved with a chracter at the time. Seth and Amy have the say in this matter, they are the ones who will decide what is best for the Larp, based on past problems with other ST's. ( J.W ) Assuming everything goes as planned, we will be starting this Saturday at 9 o'clock with a Werewolf reset. I am not sure if Skippy has some final wrap up he would like to do or not, I think 2 hours should do it. Have your characters ready, everything is allowed with a max of 2 Lups, a email will be manditory in order to play one with a reason why or a character history. So all Garou Tribes ( minus stargazers ) allowed, no other changing breeds at this time. the Plot will start 9pm Saturday. ( I land at 8 at Lansing Airport so I will be arriving at 9ish. this is assuming Amy and Seth will support me. When I do arrive Saturday We will vote on which age we wish to play in, I will have starting plots for each time period. Present, Dark Ages, Future. So have a character idea for all the times periods. Dark Ages sounds fun, I will speak to Amy more. Remember this game is about you, and I am only at it to make sure you have fun. Perhaps the whole game will reset and we may do a different age, Who knows at this point, we will decide as a group on what you want to play assuming everything goes well. HIPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!! Be Safe!!!
- Monday, December 30, 2002 at 23:33:14 (EST)
I am not sure of Steve's st anding but if he does not take the Garou St position I will. So I am stepping forward as Garou ST if Steve does not take or want the job.
- Monday, December 30, 2002 at 22:08:33 (EST)
Skippy, I am sorry to see you step down, it was a lot fo fun playing in your game. I have been a ST for Garou LARP and a narrator in a Mage larp for a bit and have done a bunch of TT Storytelling. I am interested in picking up where Skippy left off and keeping the flavor and trands he brought to the game. I have some idea for rebuilding. I will be baqck on the 19th and I can answer e-mails before then. toodles.
- Monday, December 30, 2002 at 21:53:27 (EST)
Steve P. and Busy Please contact me, I am interested in the Garou St Position. I was wondering if you still are.
- Monday, December 30, 2002 at 12:07:08 (EST)
I've got an announcement to make.
The Garou story arc has ended, and I have chosen to end the game at this point.
Those Garou well-known and well-loved (*snort*) have been killed, fled to the cold embrace of the Weaver, fled to the slimy embrace of the Wyrm, or are persona non grata. The Caern has fallen to the Wyrm.The spirits of the area have abandoned the Garou, for they will take the insults no longer. No moot rites. No seasonal rites. Pitiful chiminage.
The Weaver truly has been subsumed by the insanity and corruption that it trapped in its webs. There might as well be no difference between the Weaver and the Wyrm, now.
To prospective ST's: If you'd like to take up the reigns, be my guest. I've got all kinds of material that would be useful to you and your new story arc. I just ask that the new arc be just that, an independent story in its own right.
To my players: If you had a character that survived, or were not there on the last night, please contact the new ST, when one steps up to the challenge, to see if you can continue playing your current character. I would recommend asking the mood and theme of the new story arc, and would recommend writing a history to cover the time between now and the beginning of the new arc, if there is any.
It's been a roller coaster, compadres. Next week, I'll see you all from the point of view of a DreamSpeaker.
Dave "Skippy" Crampton <>
- Monday, December 30, 2002 at 10:31:35 (EST)
Happy Holidays Everyone.
ChoCho - Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 04:20:57 (EST)
now santa, thats just sick not to mention hard on the eyes. Happy Yule
well it looks like everyone is comming arround to say hi well, I'll just say hi skippy, slapnut,john,dave,and chocho and anyone else I know.
- Saturday, December 28, 2002 at 12:21:26 (EST)
Saint Nick - Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 03:02:26 (EST)
Well hello guys. I just dropped my ruck, and rifle, and I am back home from Infantry school for a little while. I just thought I would bid hello to whoever might still be there, and remember me. . . it has been a little while since I have been around, but I have thought about you all, and hope everything is going well. . . until next time I'll be watching your six. Out
- Monday, December 23, 2002 at 22:48:33 (EST)
Things sure have changed sence I left... Perhaps my timing was good. But anyways..
Hi Everyone *Waves* Have a Merry X-Mass
- Monday, December 23, 2002 at 03:21:06 (EST)
I just wanted to see what this game was all about.
- Monday, December 23, 2002 at 03:16:16 (EST)
Going to see if the Babelfish will work this time. Ah. That damn Fishidiluvian. He made me look like I am a dumb ass dog. :) When I really a smart dog. How many dogs you know that can speak french and use a bablefish?
Na-Na (Don's Dog) - Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 16:37:02 (EST)
Ahh..Babelfish, just another result of the fishidiluvian's influence. It's got it's fins into everything.
- Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 10:18:46 (EST)
ok this has got to fuckin' stop..blogett your udderly obnoxious...yew'er overbearing to a point we're were all oppressedd...i find you a sowwy exkuse for a humin beeing..plaeze send a respownses two the addrress...yack ass..
- Friday, December 13, 2002 at 23:59:59 (EST)
Talk about 'Stupid Pet Tricks'
Some Schmoe - Friday, December 13, 2002 at 14:32:13 (EST)
Yeah, I couldn't believe it. I walked in and my dog was using my computer. I told her to use the one in the other room.
Don - Friday, December 13, 2002 at 14:31:07 (EST)
Alex, have you ever tried to use Babelfish? He's lucky that it translated as well as it did. :)
Dave "Skippy" Crampton <>
- Friday, December 13, 2002 at 10:43:41 (EST)
Intresting choice of words, "know good".
- Friday, December 13, 2002 at 10:18:03 (EST)
I am using my translator to convert this from french. Jordan - I am not a man, but thank you for calling me a bitch. After all that's what you human's call us female dogs. But as far as sucking it, I don't think I want that responbility, you will need to get some other bitch to suck it. Because this bitch isn't about that. I hope you and your cat 'Have Nice Day' and watch out for that Fishidiluvian fella. I think he is up to know good.
Na-Na (Don's Dog) - Friday, December 13, 2002 at 02:12:52 (EST)
ok..so..man..i called you a bitch..yaaa..suck on it.
my cat eats fist and is larger than my mom's dog..
- Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 19:27:58 (EST)
I have felt the torment of the fishes. It has awoken me from my sleep of ages! This dog. This cat. They will satiate my great hunger! And I have heard the whispers of one of my kind. The murder of Al will be avenged!
The Fishidiluvian - Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 16:14:14 (EST)
Well I know who would win between my dog and Jordan's cat. Since my dog only speaks french and spanish and not english. I will have to conceed that Jordan's cat is the victor.
Don - Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 12:30:27 (EST)
Alright, there's only one way to settle this. I hereby suggest that we put jordan's cat and don's dog on trial. we'll all gather in a big group, and allow the dog and the cat to argue their cases, sitting around as long as necessary until they explain their position in english. Then we'll all eat pie (see link below). I suggest we do this instead of larping this weekend.
- Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 11:52:14 (EST)
Hey Tex, you have obviously not heard of the fishadaluvian. The mistreatment of our cold blooded and scaly friends of the waters I believe is a direct result of the panic this being has created. Every inhumane gesture is but years of conditioning for the search and destruction of this awsome creature. I myself did not believe the stories but now I can not ignore the undistputable proof of it's manical existance.
- Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 11:46:12 (EST)
Whoa! blodgett has AIM?! I thought it was too banal for him. I mean, Skippy uses it.
Adam - Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 10:52:09 (EST)
Okay, I just got done with talking with Jordan over AIM, and I found out that he has a cat for PERSONAL reasons. I find this to be totally unacceptable, and feel he should be removed from cat ownership immediately.
- Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 10:35:12 (EST)
As for this "undulating verisimilitude" theory of yours, Unholy Dipshit, delusion has nothing to do with it: My penis actually _is_ more massive and powerful than everybody else's, and thus my opinion _should_ carry more weight than other people's. If the ingrates around here refuse to acknowledge the basic principles on which our society is built, that's their problem, not mine. Tex: The only people here who like fish only do so when they're coated with a tasty butter sauce. Take it some board that tolerates immature rambling.
Now, Don's already stated that he no longer has an issue with Jordan's cat, which effectively ends this discussion. I ask that nobody else post on the subject, so that things don't get out of hand.
- Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 10:34:53 (EST)
Bah! Eat the fish!
Adam - Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 10:26:01 (EST)
It's all well and good to have your indentured servant cats and dogs, who are willing to live a life of servitude in exchange for food and shelter, and the occasional brushing. They still, for the most part, have the ability to enjoy the outdoors that is their true home, even if it is just from looking out a sunny window or walking on a leash. But what about the fish? They're the true victims of the tyrannical species-ist attitude that too many of our culture possess. They're put in a glass box where they swim around a neon mockery of their real environment, getting fed once a day or many times even less often than that. And the affection and petting that a feline or canine would get? None of that, more often an annoying knock on the glass when someone wants them to continue swimming for people's vapid amusement. And don't get me started on the toxic condition of most fish tanks. Most fish have become so acclimated to this condition that they're unable to accept their original role in the scheme of things: populating rivers which stretch for miles, swimming in great lakes, or even in the ocean that comprises 2/3 of the earth's surface. Instead, they've been taught that a small, two liter tank full of algae and other pollutants and getting a few little flakes of "food" is the life that they deserve. No longer! Free the fish!
Chris "Tex" Austin
- Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 09:51:54 (EST)
i don't have email...i don't even have a connection to the 'net' if you will..so i'll take it here...
my cat is grey and white....bitch.
- Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 07:31:29 (EST)
Alright blodgett. I've had about enough of your bullying. You think you're so hot, being an "old school" player and whatnot. But I got two words for you: "udulating verisimilitude"! Yeah, you take that and think about it, bucky. I won't take no more bullying from ya, or none of that banning talk!
The Unholy Ruler
- Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 01:48:53 (EST)
Rock on Aaron! I have no problems with Jordan owning a cat.
Don - Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 00:53:46 (EST)
All right there, you two. You both need to settle down a bit, and remember that it's _only a game_. It has been long established that the Fortress message board is not a forum for personal attacks, and if you want to have your little "I have a cat/I have a dog" power struggle, take it to email, because the rest of us don't want to hear it. And make sure you settle this thing before it gets out of hand, too; I'll be damned if I'm going to lose two friends over disagreements in pet ownership.
- Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 19:52:01 (EST)
Hey Jordan, I have a dog. Hehe
Don - Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 18:54:23 (EST)
i have a cat.
- Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 18:05:17 (EST)
Thank you. I really thought that the trial was more of a joke, but like I said it would work. I also think that I would be a very impartial fair judge since it is what I do during work hours in Human Resources. In any case, not all parties would ever agree so the point is moot.
I am calling a stop to this right now. No more mention of this damned situation. Posters from outside the group please respect this, and those within please refrain from fusing your last brain cell to a situation that has blown way out of proportion.
Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.
Amy - Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 08:20:09 (EST)
Sweet Mother Mary, Joeseph and the baby jesus with craddle and all. Has this game gotten stupider? Obviously. A trail? Come on. Get realistic. I wouldn't pay a buck or two to have my game nght taken away so i could pass judgement (that isn't even mine to be making) on two poor schlubs. Cho Cho, your my dude, always have been always will be. even though I fuck with you with the "pretty little princes" thing if there ever was something that needed smashin up real good your my dude to call. Skippy, we been friends forever. But as far as this shit goes, from a completely objective point of view. It's Skippy's game, Skippy's Creation. It gets you people out of your mothers basements and out for some fresh air 5 hours a week. he does the leg work, you figure it out. It's his descision. The way it always worked before was someone could take it up to the head ST if they didn't like the ruling. And thats the most sensible thing to do. Not that it should have even been debated to this point anyway. Get a grip guys. Fortress has always held a special little place for me and you guys are killing it with the game drama-bullshit. Grow up and Play the game like it was ment too without hemin' and hawin' about this nor that.
- Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 02:58:55 (EST)
I think I have already made this clear that I am done for the 5th time. I am done with th is bullshit. I am doing what I wanted under you Amy and really dont have anything to say to skippy, he already knows my views.
Mark Chojnowski - Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 20:48:03 (EST)
I'm retarded... That is the only option. HOLDING A TRIAL WOULD BE VERY UNFAIR.... LIKE I SAID THE FIRST TIME AND AM JUST COMPLETELY CrACKED OUT RIGHT NOW. *chuckles* Sorry all... go back to your regularly scheduled things. *beats head against wall*
Kaine - Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 19:28:00 (EST)
*Beating head on table* Gee, thanks, now I can't get commissioned due to the 2nd degree concussion.
Its good to see that people who can legally drink and vote(dear god, no...) are man or woman enough to sign their names to rather childish posts. Anyway...
I was always under the impression that the right to turn away players rested in the hands of the ST's. Box bitches, narrators, and rules monkeys had no real administrative power. Did something change, or was I mistaken?
Adam - Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 19:06:40 (EST)
That holding a trial would be very FAIR.... Argh... long day already.
Kaine "The Typo One"
- Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 19:00:40 (EST)
Amy, Jason said he wouldn't be able to be at this upcoming game session earlier on this page. Therefore I do not believe that holding a trial against him would be very unfair. I would ask that at least that case be postponed.
Kaine "The Forgetful One"
- Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 18:15:21 (EST)
I haven't come to post anything about the current conflicts among various people. I've come to post about the way things have been done. First off, I have to say one thing to Amy. THANK YOU. You have been a voice of freaking maturity and reason in this situation. My hat is off to you. I have only one problem with the whole trial idea which I will discuss with you if you are interested. PLease email me if you are. That is the only name I will be mentioning by the way. Do people realize the level this has devolved to? Personal insults and pissing contests? Due to what? A player making a character who was mechanically sound, but on the other hand the storyteller did not believe that the character behind the stats fit into the background of the game. At this point, when the storyteller learns of certain things and informs the player of his desicion, the player attempts to rationalize why it is the way it is. When the storyteller (who is aware of a certain amount of setting material from the books) explains otherwise, the player has reservations about this.-- This is my understanding of the conflict without mentioning specific things. However, it continues once game ends over an online forum where things devolve further into what we see here. As I stated before, personal insults and pissing contests which have driven a player who I believe can role play quite well and who I think is a pretty good guy on top of that.Isn't that enough? I wish to suggest something to the Fortress LARP as a whole. A new rule. One which states that at any point in time during an OOC disagreement such as this, that any party involved or presiding over the conflict has the right to put a freeze on it. To announce a sudden and complete stop to any mention of the topic of the conflict and such. This would allow conflicts to simmer down, not be drawn out and this sort of debacle to be avoided in the future. Thank you for taking the time to read this.... however, I do have to say something that is not so nice or polite to one poster because it's bothering the shit out of me. Anyone who does not wish to know my opinions or who may be offended by them, please do not continue reading. ------------------------------------------------------------ Dear Anonymous Voice, If this is one of the mentioned "Forefathers" of this LARP, keep your nose where it belongs. You have not been around to witness any of the actual events which spawned this problem. You have no real say just for being a forefather, unless one of three things. One, you own/work at Fortress. Two, before this game session on Saturday, you currently play a character in the Fortress LARP in either genre. Three, you are currently on the staff (I'm not talking about the crap on the page I'm talking about an actual member of staff who does something), or are a part of the ST staff. If not? BLow it out your blow hole. No where in the rules does it say that old players are exempt from being banned or asked to leave. Read that little link to my left. Wait, does it say "We reserve the right to refuse any new individual the right to play."? NO! Also, if you ever wish to judge someone else, have the freaking gumption to post with your identity regardless of who you are. Well all, see you Saturday. Have your game faces on. Heh. Kaine
Kaine "The Reviled One"
- Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 18:13:20 (EST)
Anyone who wants to approach me with comments about the following please do so...
I move that we as Fortress of the Mind's Eye LARP, postpone our regularly scheduled game and hold a "mock trial" so to speak on the "crimes" that have been committed. Two cases would be subject-
Mark Chojnowski vs. Dave Crampton
Fortress LARP vs. Jason RObinson
I think that I would act as judge and that the parties involved can choose to either represent themselves or have one of their fellow role-players do it for them.
The remaining players would act as a jury and the majority wins and the parties involved would subject themselves to the justice of the court.
Yes this sounds hokey, but I think it would work. All the parties involved would have to agree. Please e-mail me at the e-mail in this post.
- Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 16:53:55 (EST)
Now I am done with yoru childish bullshit, I stopped this argument YESTERDAY. I said I am ending it. You proceeded to antagonize and cause problems. This issue is over I care not to talk down to a 15 year olds level.
Cho Cho - Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 15:57:14 (EST)
Opps sorry, We reserve the right to refuse anyone to play. YOur done, accept it, we asked you to stop, you didnt, you are done.
Mark Chojnowski - Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 15:54:49 (EST)
Mark - You just made everything you said previously completely invalid. You ranted about Skippy being on a power trip and abusing his power. It's amazing how fast the abused can become the abuser.
- Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 15:51:55 (EST)
This is why I didn't larp for the longest time. Thanks guys, for ruining a fun game with all of this inane posturing. I don't think I'll be returning because I don't think I could stand to see any of you on saturday. Yet again, larp leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
- Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 15:48:26 (EST)
Excuse me did you have permission to post my email on the world wide web? Good! Congradulations you have been baned from the Fortress Larp. Come back please watch how fast you will be removed.
- Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 15:45:53 (EST)
Dude, just shut your mouth. The problems done and over with. By the way, I recind my statement from earlier this week because I feel like my iq has went down 100 points arguing about this stupidity. Fine, whatever. Just end this crap. It hurts my head.
- Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 15:42:52 (EST)
Unidentified Garou Voice,
Haven't all of just had enough of yourselves yet? If you are going on the attack why stand behind a anon name - scared?
I am going to defend Dave tooth and nail, not because of any past, not because of any future, but because Storytelling is one of the hardest jobs with the least rewards. I'll tell all you "Founding Fathers" listening out there that this isn't a fight you want to enter. This is fight you want walk away from. This is fight no one is going to win.
Only players can allow someone to ST. It is a trust a bond - Like a parent who practices tough love. If someone wants to come to the game and they want to play a stable character who is going to work with the ST to develop their character and their plots - let them come. If there is someone who thinks that one voice of dissent equals a revolution then bring it! Because I have been dissappointed before with a failed attempt to bring a better story system to Darker Images, and I won't be crossed again.
If you want to start something make sure you finish it, because I will stand in defiance until the last growl is strangled in my throat.
Dave must be a good ST because he has players who attend every week to play in his game. Dave must be doing something right because I don't hear complaints from anyone else but Cho Cho at the moment and I am trying to help work this out.
Cho Cho has said he has ended this, Dave has said he has ended this. Maybe Cho Cho doesn't agree with a ruling, but you can't please 100% of the people 100% of the time. We have now done what we have done to right any problems if there is still a grieveance out there that needs attention I will be happy to settle it.
As far as founding fathers coming to the game to try and reclaim their lost prize -shove it. Cram it right up your ass and choke on it because if you think you can claim this LARP then like me you should never have left. It isn't a student organzation and it isn't a democracy. It is a group of people with a similar desire to play this game. Hell we are playing Vampire right now!
You who call yourselves the Founding Fathers are supposed to be my friends, let me again warn you that this is a fight you should walk away from.
Now if this is over you'll all go back to your lives and we'll end this on Saturday. Save your strength till then.
THE WYRM - Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 13:55:16 (EST)
1 - I should have given warnings, and for not doing so, I apologize. Yes you should have. 2 - The refusing the privilege to play rule is not limited to new characters. - Wrong - Consistent, Dedicated, Supportive players are immune to this rule. I should know I wrote it. 3 - It is not the "founding fathers" of the LARP that matter, it is the current players and ST's. -Wrong- We start it we can end it. Then you can find a new larp site. 4 - I'll be ready to Storytell Garou on Saturday. To my players: be ready for it. :) -- Good luck. Have all your New Rules Dave been approved by the owner of the Fortress? His building, his rules. From what I gather, Dave you seem to have some problems. Be Strong, separate you personal issues from the game. You told me too a long time ago and brought me to light a bit. Practice what you preech….
Unknown Voice in Garou - Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 13:14:29 (EST)
Jason. I am going to email you, because I ended this already. I will give you facts, then perhaps you will withdraw your attacks.
Mark "Cho-Cho" Chojnowski - Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 12:52:13 (EST)
Well, I only support the greatest of all evils. Chuthulu for President 2004
- Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 12:16:24 (EST)
The only thing I didn't like about that last post was the OWBN in the E-mail address. Evil, EVIL, gaming organizations!
Adam - Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 11:55:50 (EST)
Choo-Choo, My name is Jason Robinson; I am one of the players at the Fortress of the Mind's Eye LARP who is not disruptive. It doesn’t really matter that your character was mechanically approved outside, during the introduction it went from being a Bone Gnawer to the Gucci Bone Gnawer, Skippy said no and you had a hissy fit and disrupted the game. Yes, I have been in attendance at the Fortress of the Mind’s Eye LARP twice and I will unfortunately be unable to attend this next session, but I will be around for the following sessions. I have not been in attendance for 4 years, if I had and you still didn’t know who I was I would be pretty mift. Now then, I have been a story teller for most of the last 5 years covering a number of genre and sizes from 400+ people down to 5 people. I have dealt with a number of people like you…well not just like you, usually the bad players are either bullies or prissy, you happen to be both. I real liked the copyright thing, it’s only the 4th or 5th time I have seen it done, once was by an entire chronicle. But I digress. But in the very short of it you are a problem player, I did not come to the conclusion until your little temper tantrum at the last game, but I recognized it decisively at that point in time. I have been ST, HST, founder of a number of games, when I stepped down from being an ST at said games my opinion became just as important as any other player in the game, which really come down to a minimal degree. My opinion doesn’t matter, their opinion doesn’t matter, we the players as a group and Skippy as the sole ST are the only directing members of this little party. “Consistant and old players the grandfather clause comes into play for the BAN rule” –This doesn’t really make sense but I will take your unbiased word for it. Side note, Hitler came into power because of a vote, do you really want to risk something like that again. I have to say your comparison of Skippy to Hitler was the most unique thing I have heard in a very long time, well maybe if I haven’t heard it from every other disgruntled player about ST’s who are doing their job’s. Please read the ST section of one of the LARP books, the Mage one is probably the best written. Congratulations on receiving a role-playing award at Gen-Con, were you the Gnome with the French Accent or were you just being louder than everybody else?
- Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 11:44:58 (EST)
Mike: I need to clear something up. A character is indeed a great deal more than stats, that's the character sheet. However, the intracacies and what not of a character are only known to the character's player. That, and most people don't really care enough to plagarize.
As for the "Founding Fathers" of Fortress, who cares what they say? The game has gotten substantially better over the last four years, mainly due to Seth taking on such a burden STing for who knows how long. John Wilk, as much as I disagree with him on pretty much everything, did a superior job as ST when he was around. I don't know anything about Amy's STing ability, but all I've read is good things. I think Dave is a great ST as well.
Fortress has progressed from a challenge happy, kill-happy, mediocre game, to a much more story-oriented role-playing experience(imagine that, a game about STORYTELLING becoming just that). Looking back on some of the characters I had when I first started, I would have strangled myself, every Werewolf around April of 99, and a couple of the Changlings... especially Steve DiBevic(SP? sorry Blodgett).
Ragabash: This'll be funny! *Proceeds to beat the shit out of something*
Adam - Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 11:09:41 (EST)
1 - I should have given warnings, and for not doing so, I apologize.
2 - The refusing the privilege to play rule is not limited to new characters.
3 - It is not the "founding fathers" of the LARP that matter, it is the current players and ST's.
4 - I'll be ready to Storytell Garou on Saturday. To my players: be ready for it. :)
Dave "Skippy" Crampton <>
- Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 10:48:15 (EST)
How many people play in the werewolf game?
Cho Cho life is about compromises. You don't want to. I like you very much as a friend, but I am a ST. It is the role I choose to take.
A Storyteller needs to do what is best for characters/players in their genre. A ST should not be expected to run a game with someone who is going to question their every decision. If there is a personal problem between the ST and a player why would the player want to play there? I offered you the chance to play your character the way it was described to me. I offered you the chance to role-play not argue. I offered you a place.
You have now chosen to be judged by your peers and by those whose game you interrupted. I think the reason to remove a ST is when the ST isn't doing their job of telling stories and working with characters/players to develop their plots.
I'll see you at 7:00 on Saturday.
Mike Solomon, Jeremy Cherry, Mike Weaver, Aaron Blodgett,and Dave Beck,
I will not force the issue, but I would ask that we do not lend our voices to the vote. We are not currently a part of the situation. This is the problem of the Werewolf genre. Funny how alike this situation is to a game plot.
Rank two Garou sees the leader having made a mistake in battle seeks to show his might by waiting until a time of Peace to challenge him. The leader knows that he not whelped yesterday and that there is more to leading than one mistake. The pack sees the coming storm. The Shadow Lords and the Silver Fangs rally thier support for their champions. The day of the battle is about to come neither pack leader or the young brave is scared.
Will youth and strength of force win out over experiance and age?
The rage in the Garou, the part of them that is the wyrm, is what will further divide their nation. It divides packs and it divides friends, and it kills families. But, it can not stop until the pack confronts it together as the protectors they are.
Saturday threatens to come too soon.
Amy - Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 08:25:05 (EST)
Heh. I'm glad to see it was all working out. And for all who misunderstand/midunderstood me because you don't know who I am, that's fine. Skippy and I go way back, back to before this was started, and I will honestly say that if there had been a vote, I would have abstained, because, having never played a werewolf, I don't think it's any of my gd business who their st is. Honest. IF Mark had received a warning, I would have voted for Skipster, but he hadn't.
As for my rescinding rights to my character, that's a separate issue, and far from a load of crap. A situation has occurred that seriously disturbs me in an OOC way, and I see this, unfortunately, as the only way to solve it. I've had several characters that have been NPC'ed in many games, and I generally don't have a problem with it. I'm laughing hysterically at Adam implying that a character is a set of stats. Anyway, my position on this separate situation stands, and if anyone wanted to know more...that's why I include my e-mail addy, right?
- Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 07:06:53 (EST)
You know what, consider it ended. My views are still the same, and some guest appearences might be at the fortress Saturday, its obvious this will never end on other ends. What do I know I was best roleplayer at Gen-Con, I must be a terrible roleplayer and have no clue what im talking about, but what I do know is I do not stab friends in the back who I call, my most honorable and reliable friends and refuse to work out problems even when asked. I am just going to play a Garou under Amy. IF and when interaction occurs it does, until then game on. Have fun, I still can't believe this is all over a game. Game on and have fun.
- Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 06:10:45 (EST)
I like Amy’s idea, Mark plays with the Mages and he and Skippy will not have to interact if they choose not to. Mark gets to play the character under a storyteller that will let him and Skippy can make his game as he and his players see fit. A good old compromise and everyone for the most part wins. Personally I don’t know what really went on, or do I really want to know what went on between the two, all I’ve heard is Mark’s side of the story. But the fact is its getting pretty dumb; I come to LARP each week to play a character, not to hear two people who I like bicker among each other. How about we try this solution, because if these problems keep coming up and affecting the game, I’ll most likely stop coming all together.
- Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 00:10:56 (EST)
If you are who I think you are this is your seecond Larp Session? Have you been going for 4 years? Did you hold the Fortress together in bad times? I think you should stay out of this. What he is doing is wrong, my character was approved with the words it looks great. Someone went on a powertrip with his overlord ST powers, which he has a tendency to do over weather or not my character could wear a pair of blue jeans. He has also ADMITTED, he has baned me because of personal reasons outside of larp which is unnacceptable. I have discussed this with the founding fathers of this larp as well, the responce was, Skippy is in the Wrong. Consistant and old players the grandfather clause comes into play for the BAN rule. PErhaps our webmaster should update the web or take the time to get the rules from the correct people who wrote them. Rules do not change until the Larp has a meeting and they are voted on.
- Monday, December 09, 2002 at 23:39:35 (EST)
First of all who are you? 2ndly, My character was APPROVED outside with SKippy and the words I received back were, this looks GREAT. We wrote these rules, it is not our fault that the rules werent updated.
- Monday, December 09, 2002 at 23:32:50 (EST)
Cujo, storyteller made a decision, you argued with him to the point of removing the ST from the game. So two seperate groups of players had to wait while you had your temper tantrum because you wanted to play a gucci Bone Gnawer and Skip the ST said not in my game. Now then for your coughing up the rules, it might be in your best interested to keep reading as you or your friend were nice enough to post rule #11, be sure to read rule number 12. You seem be be a bit of a bully and a prick and not doing service to your self or the game. PS. Try playing a character that is not styled after your self as that seems to the the refrain from the choir.
Jason Robinson <>
- Monday, December 09, 2002 at 19:30:37 (EST)
Adam, Dave is not the Dave that was around before, this is SKippy on a powertrip and holding grudges for personal reasons. Amy- Skippy is no longer a friend of mine, but he is violating the rules set in stone to protect the players and ST's. Alex- I understand what ya mean man. I wish you had been the ST at this point. I know you can tell the difference between a game and real life. ITs SAD, but skippy feels like he is Hitler right now.
Mark Chojnowski - Monday, December 09, 2002 at 18:27:30 (EST)
Hey Dave, being a supreme commander isn't all that bad. You could be ranked up there as: Hitler, Supreme Overlord, Nazi squard or even the Devil. Anyways, I thought there wasn't game this past Saturday? Or am I just misreading something? Someone at least get in contact with me so I can at least attempt to stay up to speed on things, please?
- Monday, December 09, 2002 at 16:00:27 (EST)
I left the LARP because it was starting to feel more like an obligation than fun. I have not been there to see what has been happening but from the simple comments I have read and what little I have heard from others it just feels like what ever has taken over and destroyed the other LARPs of Lansing is beginning to take hold here. I sure hope I'm wrong. It would be a shame if the Fortress LARP went under. Besides where else are we ever going to find the endless supply of squirrel jokes, as well as sucky vampires, werewolves licking their privates, and mages with the Rote playing game.
- Monday, December 09, 2002 at 15:23:04 (EST)
The situation is really hard when close associates are involved. If this situation were really as simple as not approving the charatcer concept for the genre it would be the childish battle it has become.
I spoke very angry tired words yesterday, but I still stick by myt original statement that I would allow Mark to play the character concept he wants in my game as the concept is built not to work with garou.
But, that's not the problem is it? It is a personal thing that Dave has friends that can not be friends with Mark. Becuase these friends are important to Dave he has a right to ask Mark not play in his genre. But, because it is about personal feelings, Mark shouldn't be penalized for being himself. I approve his concept, but need the sheet and history for final approval. To be a werewolf without a pack is hard but not unplayable.
What is best for the game? Is it to stand down our agression and let two people who were once friends play in the same game, but distance themselves? Or do we ruin the game for everyone by being complete jerks and fighting battles no one will win?
Dave and Mark,
Let's not ruin the entire Fortress LARP over player/ST rights. Let's use my compromise and get on with the game. It does no one any good to continue this way, it will only cause more pain and a rift that might never heal.
We could settle this with a game of musical chairs for experiance points, couldn't we?
- Monday, December 09, 2002 at 11:01:37 (EST)
Wow, this looks a lot like something I'd expect from high schoolers. Its not something I'd expect to see from people who are all adults(hmm, that could be pushing it) and who I consider friends.
I'm willing to bet Dave either saw something in the characters in question or what they were doing(or going to do) and felt it would compromise his portion of the game. As an ST he has the right to do so. From past experience, I'm sorry to say, the people in question fit the bill on what Dave would not want in his game.
Dave likes games with a lot of atmosphere, character interaction, and character generated plots that don't involve players GNCing. Those in question tend to settle things through boughts of RPS, generally in a physical sense. This is not a proper portrayal of MET.
Cho Cho and Pyle, just talk with Dave. If it truly is a personal problem, I'd be very surprised. I don't think Dave would have ever let me play in a game he ran(my first year at Fortress) if personal opinions factored into who was allowed to play.
Also, this my character or I'm taking legal action is a load of crap. The stats are there for keeping tabs so players don't cheat. If you mean the character histories, that's valid. Those actually require some creative liscence, al beit somewhat limited in various cases.
Lastly, some of you desparately need a hit from the bong... a very, VERY, big hit.
Adam - Monday, December 09, 2002 at 09:34:53 (EST)
I will also enforce the copyrights of my intellectual property and creation of my characters. Martel Stolcolvich, Vincent Giovanni, Dominic Giovanni, Claws of Ice, Maxius " The Rose" Skoalzewdski, Shamus O"Kelly and any other character I have played, weather NPC or PC. Non complience with this will result is legal action.
- Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 22:33:57 (EST)
One more thing.
I hereby enforce the copyrights of my intellectual property and creation James "Jim" Stevens. This character, including the distinctive personality, name, and accomplishments thereof, may not be used by any individual or organization in any fictitious work including but not limited to role playing games without my signed permission. The further unauthorized use of this character or one bearing striking similarities will be met with legal action. Thank you.
- Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 22:00:55 (EST)
You know what?
I think this whole thing is tired. I think this whole thing is petty bullshit. And, I think that while this bickering has gone on I have been patiently waiting three weeks for the Mage stuff to go up on line.
Time to fight? Time to post up stupid bullshit that should be taken up with both of us supporting eachother?
Webmaster Dave, can I, the Mage ST please get my stuff posted on the Fortress LARP site?
Yeah, I think you have the right to play with whom you choose. Cho Cho why do you even want to play with someone who has got problems with you? I promise you that the point is not worth making. If is about backing down to the challenge - there is no fucking challenge - it's baby bullshit that is going on.
I thought this was over.
I need the Mgae stuff up this week or I am taking the Mage game somewhere else and anyone who wants to play can come with me and if I walk away alone I walk away from a bad situation a stronger person.
I think another White Wolf saying should get published: "It is only a game"
I'm not choosing friends, I am choosing LARP. I want to play and I don't give a good god damn what bug crawls up whose ass, but I think shock treatment administered by me would help the whole situation.
One Pissed off Mage ST - Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 21:54:30 (EST)
Um, yeah. Okay. I see where this is going. Dave, you and I go way back, and I sort of see where you're coming from. However, I object to this situation unless you follow your own rule.
Warnings are given out to players who disrupt the atmosphere of role-playing for other players. This includes using out-of-character information, arguing rules with a Storyteller or Narrator, and challenging another characters role-playing ability. 1st warning - Just a verbal warning 2nd warning - Asked to leave current LARP session without a refund 3rd warning - Expulsion from LARP with no choice of return Warnings are cumulative and do not reset!
See, what I'm saying here is, if there's a problem that you're having with a player, you need to use the warning system. It's what it's there for. I would say that you should have given Mark at least one warning, and if you had, maybe the situation would have dissipated. Maybe it would not have. However, the warning system is there to protect the player as much as the storyteller. I'd support you if this was Mark's third warning. It doesn't look like he's had a single one yet, though, as far as I can tell.
- Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 21:44:54 (EST)
I had a chat with Mr. Crampton on ICQ. He has refused me the right to play a Garou in his games, for PERSONAL reasons against me. This goes against what the fortress stands for and what our larp stands for. I will provide chat logs for everyone come Saturday. For I have been a consistent member of the Fortress Larp for 4 years now. Even when Skippy decided to directly compete with the fortress Larp and 5 of us were left holding it together. Skippy has no reason to ban me other then personal reasons, thus I feel no confidence in the Garou ST. I will involve the fortress staff as well, for this is against what the building stands for. We are suppose to all be able to have fun and enjoy ourselves after a hard weeks work. This is an outrage and I will be hosting a meeting at 7:00/7:30 before larp. I do not feel you deserve the position either.
Mark Chojnowski - Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 20:35:31 (EST)
I'll say this in front of everyone. I don't think you deserve to have the position anymore. You're on one mean power trip and it's getting ugly. Just cause someone won't bow down to supreme commander Dave Crampton, doesn't mean he shouldn't play. It's not a dictatorship. It's a game.
- Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 20:30:03 (EST)
If you are a Fortress player, and wish me to continue on as Garou ST, please email me.
Dave "Skippy" Crampton <>
- Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 20:13:29 (EST)
How ever, you do not have the right to refuse people to play who have been consistant players for 3 years. This is where the Warning system comes into play. I was present when these rules were all gone over. This was about 3 years mind you but, if the rules are changing they will have to be voted upon by the people in the game. I am just presenting fact to the table.
- Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 19:45:13 (EST)
Here we go again.....
- Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 19:44:21 (EST)
Laws of the Wild, Revised, page 15: "Do What Works for You
We at White Wolf often call this proviso "the golden rule." Your game may have special circumstances that require a few extra bells and whistles to the rules, or your troupe may find a way to handle something that works better for you. So long as people are having fun, go ahead and run with it -- it's your game.
Likewise, if you see something that you want in your game that doesn't appear with an MET system, then sit down and cobble up something that will work for you. If MET is all about telling stories, then here's the part where the Storyteller Improvises.
From the Fortress of the Mind's Eye rules page: We reserve the right to refuse any individual the privilege to play.
I have refused two people the privilege to play in the Werewolf game that I am Storytelling. Those people are Aaron Ledger and Mark Chojnowski.
I would also suggest that people consult the standard White Wolf rule entitled It's Only a Game, found in the same section as the above-mentioned Do What Works for You.
If you have comments on this, please contact me privately at the email listed in this posting.
Dave "Skippy" Crampton <>
- Saturday, December 07, 2002 at 17:36:41 (EST)
No it was just a coincidence that it was 8 days/nights from your post that the last person had posted anything on the board. So to be a smart ass I posted 8 nights.... Because I really have an idea as what you were refering to.
Don - Saturday, December 07, 2002 at 16:36:59 (EST)
Someone's becoming an Ensign in 8 nights in Lansing?! Whoa, that's cool. I didn't know there was a training command in Michigan. Badass.
Adam - Friday, December 06, 2002 at 11:31:02 (EST)
Don - Thursday, December 05, 2002 at 22:40:09 (EST)
Adam - Thursday, December 05, 2002 at 10:18:15 (EST)
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