Skip-Bo, Mike Ruyl (or however you spell it) is Seth's Narrator. please add him in. Thanks

You can get my and all the others from my staff e-mails just by scrolling down the page. (Skippy, could you please update the contact section?) As for next week, It'll either have to be a skip week or I'll have to get there late (family stuff). I'll come to a decision in a day or two (two other cons this month, I'll have to miss at least one)

Ummmm. . . zach. . . check the contacts link that has the STs e-mail addys. then you to can have the storytellers e-mail addresses.

I just heard something and I don't have any of the ST's email addy's. So i'm gonna ask one of them to email me regaurding my samedi supposedly not existing anymore? thanks.

I don't know what the get-up is with corny accents... but... can we at least try to TYPE normal?

If the Nossie players have access to the board, could you guys E-mail me? Thanks.

Seems to me that if that compugeek was wert his weight in compu-chips he would have found a way so that the govevernmint could not be spyin' on this thar board, I be gezzin' ez jus anutter one of them thar "Lamer" types.. all talk and gawk.. ;) }:[~ ]

Aw'ight, I ain't got no problem wit' that there board bein' gone. Tell the truth, I dont give a damn 'bout them there 'puters nohow. It's that idjit playin' me that misses the characters posturin' and jeerin' and jibin' and generally gettin' all uppity. And what is this "Peace Out" horse puckey?

If I am correct Mr spookey cowboy man, its your spookey computer wizkid that took the page down ic in the first place. So, do somthing about it. man, you spookeys have a communication problem. Wait, one of you is an internet GEEK and the other reads minds and theres a communication problem*scratches head with claw* thats. . . Inconcievable!.

yeah. uh huh. ha ha zach. really funny.

Dave's got a comic Book Potty mouth LOL

oops I meant $h|+

Can we PLEASE go back to posting IC? The board is boring me blind. On a side note I'm having a fine time, you? Good, how about those Red Wings... oh yeah... they got the S$|+ kicked out of them. On to then next topic.

for those of you who need rides, e-mail me. "Purrish growl" off to play with my new claws.

Sup? my homiez? I be down with all the shiznit goin on roun he-ah. Aight? Be like we got betta playas comin roun to play yo. It be coo that we gots the chitta chatta at the dilly last week. Aight dawg you be needin to grow up dem otha playas who aint be comin roun no mo' aight? Smack 'em roun like da bitchez dey be an get dem asses back to da joint aight? So be wit it. Stay wit it. An be coo. Aight? Aight. Peace out yo.

Yo.

I got it slapnut. I wonder what happened to the fortress games' sense of humor.

Yeah Alex, the game was rather good on saturday. maybe all we needed as a group was an in person mass wake up call. thanks cho-cho

Actually I've never been labeld as a "scared little white boy who has opinions but is afrade to voice them.". But I suppose there's a first time for everything eh? It was a joke moron. Now that you all know who I really am I'm going to have to take you out for cake and ice cream... No! i mean kill you! yes kill you! I'm suppossed to take skippy out for Cake and Ice cream for keeping our Special seceret that he's not suppossed to tell his parents about... I mean.. um... Well your all going to die anyway. Whats the difference in you knowing wether or not that me and skippy shared a special special night together at Boy Scout Camp. Remember Skippy?

i also wish to speak to jason tatseos and dave ,beck that is

if you get the time beck mail me so we can go over some "stuuf".

I feel that the last game we had was rather intresting. Although I spent most of the night creating a new character it seemed like a game I wouldn't mind playing in. This is rather odd considering my usualy detestment of vampire and from what I have witnessed from the recent history of our LARP. I can't believe that I am saying this but Cho Cho was actually a voice of reason before the game. Some one took this as a ST bashing but I would have to disagree with this viewpoint. If there is any fault with the story telling at all then it will become apparent in the weeks to come. I believe that Cho Cho's real contribution was in letting us know what we are and are not doing as players and what we can do about it. I heard and saw a real difference in the way our players handled themselves and the problems and situations they encountered. I ony hope it continues. Now it's been awhile since I have exercised my Blue Blood vampire LARPing muscles, even longer since I have been excited about it, so please bear with me as I may be a little rusty in introducing Mr. Fitch to Lansing.

is it just me, or does the schoo masta seem like a scared litle white boy who has opinions but is afrade to voice them. Its times like these that the whole password thing starts to sound rather inticing. but I must admit, He's got great grammer for bein' a G-Dog.

Please stop! I am in pain! No more!

Naw Dawg. You Just need to do what I's did. Grow up in white suburbia. Then whats you gots to do is watch da wigger's walk around and be like "You guys suck" and imitate them. You'll get it down hommie. Power to the people! peace out.

Do you need a level of Linguistics to speak(or understand) Ghetto/Ebonics?

Yo peeps. This be The The Schoo' Masta Masta her. I have emailed one of you many times yo. And I get no response, whats this dis? Yo, I ain't gonna say his real name, so we'll call him Aaron L. No dats too obvious. We'll call him A. Legder. Listen yo, You ain't payed me yet. Now I know money's been tight, but if you want my hoe's to be doin freaky stuff like that you gots to shell out the green you know what I'm sayin'? if you wanna dress up in a Giaper thats all you homie. But my Hoe's don't spank you unless you shell out extra dolla dolla bills. It's all about the Benjamen's.

Well sheesh. Anyway, found an interesting link. Figured I'd something constructive for a change.

Whoever MIKE C. is I think you e-mailed the wrong guy. However I hope you will not repeat such a rude OOC remark to me again. I gave you my opinion, and if you don't like it then bitch to whoever you feel neccesary. If you are trying to get ahold of frank then I would hope you would also not be so rude again. Just a freindly reminder as I do have a great amount of respect for all the players, and staff who help me Larp so back off, and don't be so combative to people you don't know.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MAKE IT STOP PLEASE PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yo.

Are you questioning my pimpenticity? Bitch I Will bitch smack you cross-eyed. no No No, Screw that. I will send My top sellin hoe Skippy come down on you, Hard. He's a brute yo. If I don't get my respect, then you be gettin a cap in yo ass Foo'.

Yo dog, das nice an' all yo. You Gotta point too G. Its only one prob Dog. I know who you is. Only one pimp in this Here Ghetto got's G Grammer like dat. Im out. Peace!

Time to take you hoe's to schoo' yo. Here's the dealio. I be sittin here, chillin', illin' over this here game situation. It ain't the St's. Baby it's all about the love, I gots nothin but love fer all ya's yo. But whats goin ' on is dat yous guys gotta stop hearing about OOC info yo. Don't even listen Man. you can show love to yo fella gama's and with the extra time you can be doin what I do's. I be pimpin' and talkin to the ladies. But yo. All I gots to say is I'm out.


Yo Muddah Foo'.

While I can't speak for the other Fortress vets, I stopped attending because of some rather unlikely IC events occurring and because of some administrative policies I detest. There are still events occurring that, while not as evident(I heard about one today in fact), would not happen in a properly emmulated WoD.

I don't want to b itch, but next time we whine about the Head ST, or about how the players screw up the game why don't we A: Wait until WILK is there so that we knowm whats going on behind the scenes, and B: why don't we ACT on what we think. People are talking about resetting even the game is very salvageable in appearance. . . I don't think the majority have a problem with game, simply that the people who do complain are either very influential, or very loud, while those who are content are just quiet instead of raising a great aurgument on the above mentioned subject. Just food for thought for those who are thinking about quiting. We have lost several good veteran roleplayers, for what seems to be no reason. I don't think most of it was about the game sucking, it might have been that the players explored the potential of the game, and eventually became bored. just a thought. . . I am just a newbie after all. . .

sorry to point this out but you are a person named branden, not a larp charachter, you must have a problem seperating fiction from reality

shut up webster

thats right i got somehting for you, alittle closer*WHAM* POTENCE 5 to your , now crushed ,skull.huh? whats that you want more. shut up.

"That's right. You want to give me another lecture on how to spell, Mister Webster? I will tear you a new one!" Lecture completed.

thats right you want to give me another lecture on how to spell mister webster i will tare you a new one.@!

barnden?

you bastard you beautiful bastard , that was so awsome i could kiss you(COULD)

I would appreciate it if all of the independants would e-mail me asap to verrify that they will be there and have rides and such. also, Pete man, I need you to e-mail me John(your brother)s' phone number I lost it and I think Hes depending on me for a ride.

oh. . . and dave,as far as getting hit on by a streight guy goes, Its a colledge town on a saturday night. I dont think I could stop it from happening.

Just a slight factual correction: the attendance numbers are on an upward climb. If what I was told is true, the session before the big crossover was the most populous session in the past few months. Carry on.

*notices the phrase "milk money" and laughs*

Nice to see White Wolf is trying to milk money out of people by changing bloodline disciplines from 2nd edition. Same thing happened with the Ventrue Antitribu...

roland will you please call me whenever possible thank you.

in the paragraph AND THEN THERE WERE NONE page 48 of the 3rd edition gangrel clanbook. "The ahrimane bloodline Diciplines are animalism, auspex, and protean. In addition to these, almost every Ahrimane learns the bloodlines own peculuar thaumaturgy that operates by invoking the spirits of the natural world(file the serial numbers off Lure of flames and movement of mind from Vtm, and elemental mastery, the green path, neptunes might, spirit manupulation adn weather controle from GUIDE TO THE CAMERILLA) and yes dave, I would shave all that to be hawk that can rain down lightning. and adam you have fallen victem to one of the WoDs classic blunders ," The most famous is never get into a political battle against the Ventrue, Only less well known is this, Never get into a battle of survival with a Gangrel, when your EGO is on the line!"(modified Quote)

I think that maybe the spirit of camaradarie, and broterhood is what is missing from this game. I think that if we could get a few coteries with some objectives the game would spin right around. I did read the book wrong, a reoccuring symptom of being a newbie, but you may find that the pure love of the game from such as I can rejuvinate games like these. I hope that it does turn around, or at least maybe people could stop whining. If you don't like the way game is going change it, and that is the bottom line. If struggling through adversity, or fighting an impossible battle with a woefully illprepared hero does not stir your blood than maybe roleplaying is not for you. . .

mmmm.... Jason in a dress with the works.... I mean... err... how funny.. heh.

Ahrimane didn't have Thaumaturgy or Protean... They had Animalism, Presence, and Spiritus.

Sounds cool Jason.. but will you shave your lets and arm pits and wear panites and hose as well?? and you have to wear open toe high heals and have those toe nails painted as well as the fingernails! and don't forget the stuffed bra and pantie liners as well! it is ALL in the details! LMAO... Bonus points if you shave arms, chest and back if needed, makeup and nice perfume. And I nominate that you get 5 XP if some guy, Non Larp etc, hits on you thinking your really famale!!!!! ROTFLMAO

Now whats this about people wanting to play ravnos? Well, reguardless, Im with john W. on this. Not enough ravnos to play them pc (tho it would be fun as hell) But on the instance that they are PCs whial holding these numbers, I want to come into the game as an Ahrimane. And anybody who thinks I wont put on a dress and makeup for Thaum&protean, Better think again. Shit, I would even shave My facial hair.

Mark, the problem isn't soley, it's only partially(a very small part), John's fault. Take a look at character action from about 2 months ago, and the fact Lansing was 'supposedly' a Cam city. Granted, _something_ more direct should have happened, it was primarily PC actions that led to the decline in the original player base. Coupled with the few administrative points I detest(not to mention OOC bullshit), I believe that's what's led to the drop.

I feel this game needs a ST change. We are loosing players left and Right, 4 of our original members have quit. This game needs to be brought back together, weather its a reset or ST change. People are getting away with to much shit and it is really spinny. I do not question Johns St ability's how ever It seems he doesnt have the time to do it. JOhn was a awsome ST when he had time, but getting a degree shoulld be and is more important to him. We should take this into consideration and perhaps bring a new book to the table.

yeah... that was a joke.. mmmk?

real life.. what's that?

I've never said that in cannon that there are *no* ravenos left. Just not enough for them to be considdered as a PC character clan, much like the harbringers. Now for the real news (who the hell is that guy anyway?) John Frank in the last month has put in about 40 hours of work on the game, behind the scenes, and has been a great help all around so I want to put him up as an AST and see how it goes. Make sure to treat him to all the headaches, whining, and bullshit that goes with the position. This is espcially the case this week since I won't be able to make it this weekend (My finals are on monday and tuesday) Sorry, but real life must come first. I'll see you all the next game.

riiiiiiight...

I'd just like to mention that it is THIS that comes about from having no life, so consider yourselves lucky!!!

Date of Publication: Wednesday, March 14, 1945. The Headline: "Japanese Zeroes Held Off by Boy with Dick Tracy Decoder Ring" Now here's the story: FRESNO, Calif. -- A would-be Japanese sneak attack was foiled Saturday by local 8-year-old Tim Gardner, who intercepted and decoded a top-secret, Ovaltine-sponsored communique using a mail-ordered Dick Tracy Secret Decoder Ring. -The covert transmission was broadcast by Japanese intelligence agents Saturday at 7.25 p.m. on a radio-band frequency of 1020 kilocycles, and took the form of a letter-substitution cipher, with each letter of the alphabet represented by a number from 1 to 26. The design of the coding scheme ensured that the message would be gibberish to an agent not posessing the Secret Decoder Ring, a sophisticated decryption device ordinarily used to foil domestic criminal fugitives. -FBI agents also manages to intercept the broadcast, but were unable to decipher the message, as they had not collected the Ovaltine jar labels necessary to obtain the ring. -Gardner, posessomg the necessary crypto-analysis equiptment, quickly made the correct substitutions and decoded the message to read, "HUNDRED FIFTY ZEROES RAID SAN DIEGO NOON SUNDAY." The plucky third-grader immediately notified Ovaltine officials, who relayed the dire threat to the War Department in time to mobilize anti-aircraft measures. -The aircraft carrier transporting the Japanese planes was successfully attacked early Sunday morning by the brave boys on the U.S.S. Missouri, hundreds of miles from U.S. shores, and four Jap planes already en route were shot down in dog fights with U.S. pilots in F4AU Corsairs. -For his exemplary performance in outwitting the enemy, Gardner was awarded the Congressional Medal of Freedom Tuesday, as well as a Dick Tracy Honorary Deputy Badge. -Said Garnder of his heroism, "Aw, golly, I did what any stand-up guy would have done. I was hoping I'd get to catch some crooks with my ring, but I'd say Japs is even better!" -FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover congratulated Gardner personally: "Tim, if every G-man was as shrewd as you, we'd end this war tomorrow!" Hoover then assured reporters that all FBI agents would be required from this day forth to remember to drink their Ovaltine. ---A true story dug up and brought to you by the DAILY NEWS FIND.

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Stupid inequalities... should have read " < 200". My bad

I think you may have misread some of the source material about the Ravnos, John. Time of Thin Blood "implies" at least a couple hundred weak-blooded Ravnos survived along with a couple elders(like Durga Syn and Hazimel... possibly Zapathasura[eww]). Most of the weak-blooded Ravnos are antitribu who had their pack to beat them down when they frenzied for "no reason". Durga Syn probably did it through a combination of Thaumaturgy and Animalism. Every book since Time of Thin Blood has mentioned the remnants of the Ravnos clan numbering in the low hundreds(like >200), but not any higher. They are being hunted by some kindred after all....

Lemme put it this way. I'm gonna make sure that everytones paying. I'm shelling out the initial cash. I can deduct it all from my taxes. Now the left over cash from what I spent on meat and what nots plus the 2 bucks from each person will be given to. lets call him "Little Timmy". What ever cause I deam fit.It's a toss up between The Batterd women shelter, humain society and a samll child with cancer and his family isn't wealthy. YOu screw with that you screw with me and it is not game. It is me pumeling you into the ground. Because I consider that stealing. And it's worse when my own friendssteal from me. So in short. Pay the two bucks, or I will physically make you puke the food back up.

"...prices of gas are estimated to reach a high of near $3.00 per gallon by the end of May..."

The Sabbat thing: It's kinda serious 'cause I've always wanted to run a Sabbat larp (I just like them better), It's also kinda a joke 'cause I expect changing the entire game just 'cause I think it would be cool would fly about as well as a ton as bricks. P.S. -J.D., if that's what you got from the guide to the Sabbat than you read it wrong. Some of the biggest themes in that kind of game are piety, faith, comradery, being a hero and trying to save the wold, as well as the whole being a monster thing. The Sabbat's been ret-coned into quite a playable format, amazingly. As for Clanbook ravenos = dumb!, every book after time of thin blood has been saying that there are more and more ravenos remaining in the world, they're waffeling.

Zach... I think that the fitz park idea sounds like a winner... but don't be overly confident on the $2 a person... because it's been previously demonstrated that some won't pay...

Clanbook: Ravnos, scheduled for release May 14th... WHY?!?!?!?!?!

I'm confused. . . Has the sabbat issue turned into a serious matter, or is it still a joke. Oh, I get it. . . he he. . . oh. . .

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....burgers

anyone intrested at all?allthe money I get (And I'm shelling out for the food) will go to like a "Little timmy has cancer" jars.

Yeah, I know george.

I want to know who has deific power over Cho Cho. I thought it was Cho Cho but now I'm not so sure.

Since when did Cho Cho assume deific power in deciding the game's setting?

John you will not turn the game into a Sabbat Game

Okay, I may be at game this sat, may not. depends. But how would everyone feel about paying 2 bucks for all you can eat hamburgers hotdogs and tater salad at fitzgerald park? like in two weeks or so?

Paul, it was just a joke. there wont be a huge catastrophic seige of the city, unless John wants to turn this into a combat game. As far as I knew, the emphasis was on politics and roleplaying, not whooping the snot out of stuff. I doubt John would do such a thing. And you forget Paul, that just cause i am game, doesnt mean i would expect to win. I like learning from new situations.

Anonymous OOC posts, the culmination in cowardice.

Unfortunately my character would have to go bye bye should the game turn sabbat. There's really no place for Tremere despite the Sabbats desire to reestablish them. I think it would be an invitation to a huge Cam Tremere beatdown session. Besides, it's against my character's beliefs. Zachary sees the Camarilla as the greater challenge and likes the access to proper resources that comes from being part of the Pyramid.

All the selfish stuff aside I feel a decision SHOULD be made one way or the other. Having both in the city creates far too much PC vs PC direct and overt conflict. These obvious goals undermine the secrets and plotting that make the politics fun. In short it's a war, and regardless of whatever uneasy peace may result, the Cam and Sabbat are never going to reach a point where anyone is confused over who can trust whom and who is plotting behind whom's back.

I'm hoping we dont have to replay last year's LARP again to prove this. While it had it's moments, and was fun at times and frustrating at others, it's been done and this year's LARP should be a different animal.

Now that I think of it, since I wouldn't be opposed to changing the game to Sabbat, why dont we do it? I think the end of the school year would be a good time to schedule a campaign change. Or alternately, if you want to play this one out a little longer start it after the summer. That way we dont begin something new right before our player base is set to change.

hey adam you forgot the step about crawling and dont post unless you play a SMART character!

The sabbat game idea. . . is something else. . . I just signed up for a class in Albion college about political science based in a RPG called camelot. I hope I can add a bit of well. . . interesting political moves to the game sometime soon. About the sabbat though the game would be even more regulated than it is, because the first though that enters a newbies head when he reads the sabbat sect book for third adition is KILL KILL KILL. I know this from expirience. :sniffles, and looks at the floor ashamed

beck,i need to talk to you. plus i also need to talk to you george gasser. and to the grel pack.

I feel that a Sabbat LARP is not a really good idea right now. The Sabbat has been set up as an antoginst and as such would be rather intresting and fun to play but we have players that don't know what it is to be Cam. It sound like your encourageing us to do a 100 mile marathon before we know how to walk.

See what I'm talking about? I don't really think you'd hold up, George. The cam is just a bit too unstable to withstand a Sabbat attack. By the way, you and Penguin and I need to discuss Friday.

johm, you've said enough times that you don't want to turn this into a sabbat game, that those who have listened knew better than to take your jest seriously and freak

Instead of having a Sabbat attack, there should be a Coterie of Archons that comes to Lansing and beats the Domain into a good little Camarilla holding.

as my sister reads the message board.. she laughs about the term "fuzzies"... then proceeds in asking me what the "fuzzies" call vampires... "lunch"...

mmmmmm.....sabbat attack. sounds fun. i'm game.

'course... it'd be interesting to see if this so called "Undefeatable Camarilla" would be able to hold strong against a Sabbat attack...

I don't really know as I care either way... a game is a game.. and as long as I'm allowed to play...

you really shouldn't tempt me like that :>

John, Personally I took your words as humor and seen no reacon to post about them, so I did not.. but in all honesty.. YOUR the ST.. you do what you want to do with the LAWOD (Laning Area World Of Darkness)

Yes john thats all the comments you got. I personally think its rather sad. but one must figure in that not all of our players have internet access and of that percent, few have the time to be as lifeless as myself and keep looking at the bord every few hours. I think that the game would truly go to hell if we had a sabbat takeover.

That was all the comments I got for threatening to sack the city and start running a sabbat chronicle? I expected to hear a noise akin to lighting a baby on fire. Does anyone really care either way?

Thanks to John, Adam and Soloman for beginning the Mage game. It started off very well and I think everyone learned something about the game. I know I did. The next game is tentatively scheduled for Friday, April 27 at 7pm at the Garden. I know we've got a few others willing to explore this genre, hopefully I'll see them next time.

Protection for the Fuzz? *snickers*

ok, the ST from the rochester game still hasn't sent me the sign in sheet for the ball. Therefore, I need everyone who was in attendance to mail me and tell me you were there... I can't remember everyone I saw. I know some people don't have net access, so if you could also send me the names of people you brought with you, or remember being there I can compile an accurate list

I am not in favor of a sabbat takeover. I have spent far too much time building my character to have him tanned by the Sabbat 'cause some people feel it would fit better. I'm pretty sure that if the Sabbat knew about some of the things I've done, they'd come right after me, too. And it's not like the prince would offer me any protection, either. On a practical point, an Alamo thing would take a very long time, due to the large quantities of arguing that goes on every time there is a mass combat scene. We probably wouldn't even finish it.

OOOOO!!! BUUUUURN!

John Deim why are you cringing? I think that Jason T who attends game knows a little more than the individuals who have left our game. Hence no sabbat takeover.

uuuuuuugh. . . Ok guys I hope your not being serious, but hey it's your game. . . cringes

nobody has told me otherwise, but there will be game, without sabbat takeover on the 21st

Saturday is the day for the Alamo-esque Sabbat takeover!

We are having game this Saturday, correct?

yeah yeah yeah... its verbally Zach, I know. So I fell asleep douring a few spelling classes too.

I would like you all to know that I have been properly punnished and smacked arround virbally due to my ignorant post about not understanding johns proverbial alemo(SP?) sabbat suggestion. Sorry I flunked the oldwest part of My history classes. to busy sleeping.

Sabbat game? Im to happy with where i am right now with this character to want to start over. but other that I personally have no qualms with a sabbat game. But you mentioned some kind of western setting. If your phrazing was just a mater of speeking, then cool. But as for an oldwestern kindred game. I obviously speek for me myself and I alone. But I just hate westerns. Other than that. Yeah, screw the the elders! power to the neonates!

I take it, Jason, that you have never seen a well played Sabbat mass (or any of the better retae) Or taken part in cut-throat (literaly) inter-pack politics?

If it makes the game more believable in emmulating the WoD, I'm all for a Sabbat takeover. However, canon can also mean going by the book in terms of sect politics, intraclan/interclan politics, repercussions as a result of ignoring status, etc.... Mage game ho!

No john. Please no. The last thing I want to play is cowboys and kindred.

cannon: The world of darkeness as described by several people in a myriad of contradictory books that contain lots of information that none of the characters should have in game. At least that's how I look at it, as a pile of scheit that has nothing to do with running a good larp and nothing in common with our's. Hell, if we wanted to be authentic I'd love to run an Alamo-esque invasion by the Sabbat and then run the game as a Sabbat larp. Any takers?

Alright it looks like it's "Game On" for Mage on Saturday, though this is the third time I've posted this, hopefully it will be the last and go through this time. I'll be at the Fortress at 5:30 to take care of character stuff then we'll probably move to the Garden by 7pm weather providing.

If you want to get a character together beforehand here are the rules: go by the book with the 5 standard freebies (no bonus 7 for background) Arete is limited to 2 instead of the normal 3. You wont get to use Spheres, Rotes, Mentor and Library for the first couple sessions but you'll still want to put points toward them for later. If you write up a background make sure it's for a normal human up until sometime very recently.

Thanks and hope to see you at game tomorrow.

What does "Canon" mean?

Because the owner of the web pages doesn't have time to filter every post that gets put to the board, hell... I don't even have time to update the message board properly... which will come soon... I swear... really... heh.

Alex, tho I think your a great roleplayer and I do respect you as a person. I would like to remind you because it was apearantly missed by a few (and ALL other gamers) GANGREL HAVE NO STATUS. So rip all the status from us that you feel we shouldnt have. since we have NONE. thank you.

here's an idea... why doesn't the keeper of this message board have all of the messages filtered through them, allowing themselves to pick out and discard of the one's that are full of consistant and repetitive bitching... and only allow decent claims to be made on the board? It'd save me a lot of money on aspirins...

Going by canon doesn't mean using NPC's right out of the book....

I am not talking about punishing anyone... Just tatooing neccessary information on peoples foreheads... Kinda like the Scarlet letter thing just a little more permanent!

Someone stated something about status being the princes decision. As long as the prince has power to back up his claims they stay. The prince is not the only one able to give or strip status. If you feel the Gangrel have no place in the city get the appropriate people on your side to systmaticaly strip them of status. If the prince has the power he can counter it if not your down one less Gangrel in the city. As a GameMaster and now concerned player in regards to cannon, that is exactly what it should be shot from. It's great for stirring the imagination and giving people motivation but in any roleplaying game allowing it gives the players free reign to cause mass havoc. It takes control of a potential uber grimm NPC ,in some manner, out of the Story Teller or GMs hands and gives it to a player who may or may not have the best intentions for the game. If you need the NPCs then let the Story Teller make them up with thier own history and actions. Not some writers echos form a novel who could care less about your own LARP. And lastly to who ever you are who has a seemingly stong view on tipping. You and I do disagree on that point but I respect you for voicing it. I don't have to like what you say, or agree to it, but I do have to accept you as you are. I would only hope you would support your views and beliefs by letting us know who you are. If you have any reservations to such because of Bekkah or others of a similar thinking don't let it stop you. As fond as I am of Bekkah and the others in our LARP they'd have to go though me before I let any one punish someone for their beliefs and who they are.

if you wish to talk to me more about this paul i will be happy to oblige. just mail me for specifics

All right, It is true that people should conform to the basic premises of the WoD. First, We are almost all neonates or ancillae. We don't matter which is the only reason we have not ben purged yet. If the elders wanted what we had they would take it. Right now we are free to do as we wish. I appreciate the comments made on conformaty, and there were some good points, but every vampire is different. I hope that in the end we can show our ability as roleplayers. I would like to extend a challenge to all those who would like to consider themselves adult, and good roleplayers. First, withold any grumbling about the way that someone plays their charactar out of charactar. Please make it in charactar. I am getting a hard lesson on how to play a Malkavian from an exellent player. (the toreador harpy) while admittedly I am getting my ass reamed hardcore it has helped my roleplaying, and I hope I get a bit better soon. That is what vampire is about. Second, people need to stop saying canon this canon that. The story teller has the job of writing the story, not the players. If you know alot about the WoD story line that simply means that you have an inherent advantage over other players. Let the story teller do his job, and lets calm ourselves, and enjoy the damn game. If you are not old enough to do this then you should definitely go back to heroes quest.(the dungeon which I just exited).

Well adam concerning the WoD you probably do know more than a number of people at fortress. infact I will even say im one of them. But within these past few weeks my knowladge on the gangrel clan has become rather fast. So reguarding gangrel spacificly I do know what IM talkinga about and wont say anything at all reguarding the Gangrel clan unless I have somthing to back it up. Now, one thing that I know I know the most about is Bastian. My Character. and If some asshole cam member decides to tear down his woods or mess with his animal park He will come out with razor sharp black claws well aimed and at celerity speed at any agressor who has taken action against his home or animals. and that is if He is being merciful. but I would like it stated. I have no personal qualms with you adam. and I hope that it is mutual.

I don't think any of what I posted was anything more than an opinion. If you want to debate White Wolf canon, I'm confident I know A LOT more than several of the people at Fortress, it may not be clan specific, but big event wise, I knows my shit. I know there are Gangrel still in the Camarilla, many of them are still outsiders however. Gangrel that left don't get involved with politics - that's part of being Independent. Gangrel that get involved when a forest is getting clear cut or when a bog is getting drained are usually elders, or at least ancilla.

Jesus Adam, how many of your gangrel misconceptions are you going to make me go behind you and clean up? 1 (page 41 paragraph 1 of the newest gangrel clanbook Series) The Gangrel, taken as a clan, are a contradiction. this is to be expected, as a stereotype cannot by its very purpose describe diversity.The stereotypical Gangrel is sullen, uncommunicative, ill-mannered, and prone to spend great stretches of time alone in the wildernes. This stereotype is not false, but at the same time Gangrel who ARE boisterous and well-spoken DO stalk the night. Many Gangrel make their havens in the teeming warrens of the Big CITY, and some spend their days slumbering in bucolic farmlands. The common wisdom says that the gangrel do not play in politics and despise the manuvering of the jyhad, but the clan HAS representatives in positions of great power in ALL of the major factions of vampire politics.(which means some nameless individual should now know where to shove there dream of grel leaving politics) 2(page 43bottem right paragraph & its continuation on 44) even knowing that the camerilla may have lied to them, there are still gangrel who have chosen to remain in the sect. First among them is Karsh, the warlord, and any number of gangrel archons STILL serve the justicars. In adition to these "Official" representatatives, any number of gangrel in the cities and princley feifs ACROSS THE GLOBE still have declaired their intention to REMAIN Camerilla members for reasons of their own. Many gangrel have chosen to stay because they have contacts within the sect. or because they have made promises of service to uphold. and these reasons are respected by their clanmates. Loyalty and honesty are greatly prized among the Gangrel." and tho it does continue to say that those Grel who have stayed have lost the respect of those who have left, the fact of the matter is that there are more than Karsh. I really dont want these debates happening here. there are much better things to do with the bord. thank you,

BeandEn: If your characters don't conform, why is it that you appeared to be such a staunch Cam supporter? That strikes me as conformity.

my name is brandEn. and no i wont take a chill pill

my name is brandEn. and no i wont take a chill pill

*Hands Brandon a Chillpill*

well , i play my characters as i see fit untill you are me shut up cause my characters dont conform. If you have some moral obligation to make all brujah hate grels then do it in char and QUIT YOUR BITCHIN cause i dont want to hear it. as for status just give it up cause you cant do anything about it . it is the princes desision and there is nothing you can say or do to stop him.

Karsh, the Camarilla Warlord. Only time I've heard of a Gangrel actually respecting a Ventrue(Hardestadt).

as for who would win I was just quoting a clan book. as for anything else, the grel cant become politically uninvolved. if a torie likes a land sight and wants to make it into a maze of woods cutting down more than half for "artistic" reasons. the grel that lives there is politically involved. if the ventrue want to slam down a forest to put a few high rises, the grel that lives there gets politically involved. if the tremere want dont like the thought of a grel living in the woods so they work with the ventrue to try and have it paved over, the grel then gets POLITICALLY involved. there are many threats to the Gangrel homes and what we stand for. and we must continually operate within the political arena, any time an individuals beliefs are threatened on a large or small scale, they become involved. the larger and more intricate the scale the more "political" it is. The gangrel have beliefs too and any grel that contests this concept, please speek up. aswell to insure that we will have a place to exist for the next few years. P.S. thank you eric for your comment. I would like you to know that you have allways had my greatest respect.

Um a few Gangrel do still hold cammerilla status *nods* a Gangrel by the name of Karsh is just one spoken of inthe gangrel clanbook. And it tells of more. ---on another note, it sounded like a nice party deal ya kids had. wish i coulda been there. Maybe next time. ok well bye bye!

I have a dream, where status is strictly observed and ignoring it automatically declares one an Anarch. I have a dream, where Brujah have rants and enjoy the company of their clanmates, where Gangrel stay in the woods and don't bother with politics at all, where Malkavians aren't cutesy idiots but still revel in their derangements, where Nosferatu are info hounds, computer hackers, and use animals for spying purposes, where Toreador are interested in art and politics, where Tremere are both interested in their wooj and politic, and where Ventrue run businesses and the Domain. I have a dream, that for once, a LARP would conform to a majority of the WoD norms.

Well, as for the running around part, they are free to do that. but the grel do NOT hold Status of any kind, nor do they have a station in the Cam, or any type of political power therein. and that is as it should be. now the question is, now that the grel/independent fiasco is over with, what is to be pointlessly bitched about next? perhaps some toreadors will branch off and form their own secret group of artists, free from fascist critiqueing and slander. OOOOHH!!! SCANDALESS! my apologies to any Tories i offended.

Last game I was at, Gangrel were running around with Status and political power. If that's changed, good. As for Brujah screwing with Gangrel: In most cases, a live action Brujah would decimate a Gangrel...

Okay, I wait tables as a living... And tipping is OPTIONAL, but how much work do you do for $2.65 an hour... I don't do shit... So by paying a tip you get me off my ass and get your drinks and food and such... Yes, I could find another job that pays salary, but I like the hit or miss of tips. If I do my job well, I get rewarded and if I do poorly I find out immediatly in the way of a bad tip. Now for what was said about if minimum wage is not reached a company will reimburse you... Okay, that is on a weekly basis, not on a per night basis because there have been nights where I have walked with $2.65/ hr because we have been slow... Also, how many of us are willing to run our asses off prepping food, making drinks, and cleaning for $5.15/hr... I am sorry... But you need to understand that this is simply the way it is... Servers have a shitty job. They deserve more than $2.65/hr and it is up to each of you to make that happen... It all boils down to either you tip well or tell me who you are so I can tatoo a warning sticker to your forehead to warn all the other servers out there.

Okay guys, I am hearing a new idea for a dancing at the next ball... I am thinking sometime during the late summer/early fall... Maybe outdoors in the tent with an indoor reception? Or Out door reception with an indoor game in the dining room for achange of scenery? Will you give me suggestions... Also foodwise what sounds good? Please let me know otherwise I will have to wing it like last time... Also would you in general have any problems with Pre-registering? What kind of music would we want to do if we dance? Please let me know... Or do we want to look at other sites? There are a lot of cool places around here like the Henry Ford house.... Do we want to look at those? Please email and let me know!

Jason: I wasn't implying that you didn't know what you were talking about... I was just making a brilliant observation. And as far as the independant thing goes... yep... we're independants. We have a treaty of sorts with the Prince. No more, no less...

By the way. . . that last comment wasnt meant to be any sort of threat, challenge, or warning. we as gangrel just want to be left alone within the woods to our own devices of survival. thank you,

well adam. since we hold NO status or power within the camerilla, Guess taht makes us non-cam vampires. The prince simply knows that we exist. that is all. we are not officially aknowlaged. We as the gangrel clan as a whole have made an agreement with the prince. you wont disturbe us, and we will abide to the masquerade and not start anything with the vampire clans of the camerilla. I think that I or any grel should know the status of the gangrel far better than you adam. since i am one of them as are they. whereas you arent even playing anymore. so no. we have no power, we have no status. just an agreement of piece. and even within the world of darkness. nobody has ever wanted to fuck with the grel. to quote the brujah(bad asses of the camerilla) clan book."I mean jesus have you ever seen one of these thing fight? piss them off and you will be lucky to be left anything more than a bloody streak."

The Gangrel are Independents, just not in Lansing. They've somehow managed to acquire political power within the Camarilla(I still have a headache from that). If you hold Acknowledgement(or any additional status) in a Camarilla Domain, then you are a Camarilla vampire.

Um, No. You guy's have votes Jason. If you were really grel. you'd have a pack leader and do what ever the hell he told you too.

Jen: I didnt say that I contested the no photo rule. I was just explaining to beck why I didnt use my camera. and just a note on the what should happen or shouldnt happen with in the world of darkness. All of the independants are gangrel. remember adam. the grel did go independant. and since its much more likley that we would be independant and chillin out in the woods like we are than holda primogen seat at this time (which we DONT). Thats what we do. chill in the woods. and come to town to say hi on occasion. But then again, thats just how it seems to me in my little insignificant perception of the world of darkness.

I'm not sure, but it didn't look like a game specific post.

The person posting the long message doesn't even game at Fortress. It's commentary on related situations and it is actually very objective.

by the way... the reason there is no flash photography allowed in places such as Meadowbrook is because of the values and worth of the furnishings... having photos of the layout and things inside tend to cause more precise burglaries... and that's not a good thing for historical items of value.

it's those kinds of long ass postings that I tend to skip over.. because it's usually just senseless ramblings of a pissed off gamer...

(There were separate paragraphs on the Forum posting) I've seen the same thing in some groups out here - they fold in a few months and carry a bad rep in perpetuity. Here's how it starts... Someone wants to make a character for a Cam game but he wants to be 'different' so instead of making a really 3D well-concepted character, he begs for and receives an Independent clan character who oddly enough is painfully stereotypical and usually cheesey. This is a facet of gamerism that most STs must deal with at some level that we call 'Deviancy Theory' which holds that no matter what the game basis, a percentage of players will want something just because it is 'weird' from that concept. If it is Sabbat, they want a very humane character, on his way to Golconda. If it is Camarilla, they want an Anarchistic Autarkis who is a Noddist. It it is Garou they will beg for a Bete. Dems da brakes. Now, what is the result of this? The balances extant in the WoD construct fall apart because the WoD is not on Crack like the deviant concepts must presuppose to believe they would have survived for a month! And it is hard for the ST, because at first he wants to be a nice guy, then it would be natural for that character to cause a cascade of events that leads to this very anti-WW situation. Then the ST has to try to clean that up and still maintain player satisfaction? Ouch. And worse, the ST will lose the respect of those good players who are not getting on the 'lotta bita cheese' wagon and they will depart, leaving the ST with a handful of cheesebags twinks and a deviant scenario that is inherently self-destructive. You see, that is the one thing that this whole 'cannon' discussion lacks: the perspective that some of WW's norms are in place because without these, the WoD would simply not exist as is or be radically different on a widespread basis! Its not a matter of petty whining about WW purism, it IS a matter of understanding the delicate ecosystem that is maintained by social and political checks and balances. Allowing extreme deviancy destroys them. Now, I am not saying there is anything wrong with the occasional Independent or something a little unusual. It says that Schizmatics are now showing up as Sheriffs and Scourges - makes sense but there are political barriers that keep them from having Primogen seats and much real power. What I am saying is enough with the 'Apostate Salubri Antitribu SilverFang Abomination with Faerie Affinity who has Spheres' and his coterie of Tzimise Koldun Antitribu that all serve as Archons that happened just because well, 'I allowed an Abomination in game and it just sorta got out of control.' Yes, this is an exaggeration but if an Indie is in the Cam they are still the outsider with special permission to be there and are still kept at arms length on many political matters, and for darn good reasons: to keep the Camarilla propaganda/philosophy/strucutre in tact. It is illegal to own or read a copy of the Anarch Manifesto by Garcia. Knowledge, much less discussion about the Bood of Nod is considered dangerous thinking in the Camarilla because it suggests ideals counter to the Traditions and smacks of Sabbat Noddsim - its usually punished as well. Seem petty? Dats just the way it is because the group of Elders that maintain it's integrity and thus their power base guard it jealously - that is just one check and balancing factor. From a ST point of view, here is one thing to consider - when you sign up for a baseball game and end up playing football is that pleasing? To sign into a Camarilla game, to hope to experience the intrigue of Elysium and that political structure and culture is a little disrupted by the silliness that deviance can bring in. It pisses off players and the Characters alike, who see their way of life being shredded because such is being allowed to run rampant without being answered by the intercession of the world at large. What the heck is wrong with the Prince that would make a Primogen out of an Autarkis?! If the players just think it is being condoned by a weak or tweakish ST, it just won't make sense for them to bother trying to be the Camarilla responding to that by overthrowing the Prince, calling a Justicar or offing the meddling outsiders. They will simply leave because they will see this as not being an IC problem but a game going to hell. Can't blame them.

I must be terrible finding things because I missed the caravan and never found the BBQ. Ah well, next time perhaps. The building was awesome, however, doing those sorts of things too often will spoil me. We are definately going to have to have some more garden games though.

Those who still want to LARP this weekend: Get hold of me via e-mail. If I get 4-5 players at least I'll start up the Mage game on Saturday. Decision day will be late Thursday, so get hold of me before then.

I don't hold a grudge against the theives. Don't mistake me that is exactly what they are THEIVES, and they will have to live with that. I simply hope that those that did not pay needed the food more than the game needed money. If not I hope you talk to the head story teller who I am sure is mature enough to allow you to pay quietly, and without public ridicule, or judgement. Do not be embarrassed of paying money for your dinner back. That simply absolves you of your wrongs against game, but you still did steal, and I hope you aquire the morale fortitude, or funds to shake this habit. Thank you, and I appreciate it. Goodbye

First, having owned a business, you need to know there are 2 minimum wages one for companies that make under 500K a year and one for companies that make over 500K a year.. and if a waiter/waitress does not make up in time the diffearance to equal that minimum wage the establishment must kick in the differance.. little known fact but true, and as I stated before.. you know going in what you will make.. if your not happy with it don't work there.. and bitching about it does no good.

The crossover kicked butt. Juju found great new playmates, mostly in the Malkaivian Clan, to help in fun activites (looking forward to the sky diving with the prince's new Malkavian student Pilot Jack). As for eating and not paying that just blows. Their have been plenty of people in the history of LARPs who have not had money and just hung out with the group looking for leftovers or attacking the condiments like they were going out of style. Although this may be a little odd it's a hell of a lot better then leaving your friends to pay your bill and or being asked not to return. Even if it is someplace you never plan to return to again that's no way to treat a fellow gamer or the group they are associated with. When it comes to tipping we all have times that the money is short and the tip is the casuality of the bill but I hope you don't make it commonplace. Waiters and waitreses put up with a lot of BS for what they do. It's one of the few jobs that minnimum wage is not required because they figure in tips. I feel our culture has left an open end for servers in restraunts to make a little more simply because of the way most people tend to treat those in this line of work. Some people have gotten so used to servers in restraunts that they forget that they are people. If you feel I'm wrong go to a restraunt, watch the people interact with their servers, see how many are rude or simply ignore them expecting them to take it with a smile, see if you are one of those people, and see if that's something you'd want done to you at work despite the pay. We are social animals in a social situation where they have become the required outcasts. If you say that the restraunt is for sustaince you'd better think again because you can just as easily go to a grocery store to get food where the improtance of a social setting is not stessed in the least. As for the comments page their may be a great in game reason for the page to have dissapeared but it does nothing but take away from the game. I feel that the comments page was not put up as a solely in character infromation exchange. Nor do I feel that it was put up simply for players to talk about the game. For those who believe that this page is a tool to help the game I feel that at this point that is wishful thinking. The problems we have in LARP are people problems. If we had people who would use the page to help solve these problems then it would work but I feel that we have enough people who would rather bind these problems so close to thier own hearts with rings of steel that they would rather spin their wheels or quit the LARP rather then work them out. If for some reason any of my characters have need to use information from the comments page form others that were in character then as a player I will do so without hesitation no matter how many people talk themselves blue in the face saying that it dosen't exist. If any story teller or narriator decides that I should be punished for some version of meta gamming we will deal with that if and when it happens.

To George: yes dancing would have kicked ass. to Bekkah: the sign said :no flash fotography to Adam : purests or not, its all about having fun. and we did. To nameless: man. . . you try living off of 3.50-4.50 an hour without tips. it doesnt work and last time I checked thats average server pay. to all: what movie? did I miss that one or has just waking up taken a mad style tole on my quote recalling abilities. to Brian S. John W. Bekkah, Skippy, and anyone else I didnt name. I had been pumped up for that crossover game all week long. and still didnt imagine that it would have been as much fun as it really was. Thank you all, it ROCKED.

To the guy who thinks about tipping and stealing: Not only did you use a line from one of the best movies ever, but you screwed it up! If I ever find out who you are, I will forever call you Mr. Pink!

Dancing??? *Shivers in fear and looks for the closest/quickest exit* For the record I don't dance.. it is unsightly and the existance of the "Dave Anti-Earthquake Law" prevents me from such activities.

I had a lot of fun at the larp on saturday also and I agree about the dancing... maybe even a masquerade next time. I am having very much fun even though I am only sabbat (flexes). :)

the IC board went away during the 2 weeks prior to our last home game. A dozen different people posting IC vampire stuff on a publicly accessible board that was being monitored by the FBI cued my character (the comp geek tremere) to make it "dissapear" Of course most people don't know this yet. You just know that the IC board the people went to has gone away

No White Wolf purists in Rochester either, eh?

i know that i didn,t have enough money so i barrowed some from a friend and we ate and still left a tip. how could someone be so inconciderate.

Didnt pay? what the hell is wrong with you people? (those who paid are excused) stealing food? *shakes head* that is horrible and you should be ashamed of yourself. i know my table paid. and we left a nice $6.92 tip. we thought it would reimberse the waitress for us hitting on her, but now that i hear that many servers were not tipped at all, i am glad we did. yes, the crossover kicked ass. i LOVED that mansion, i wish there had been dancing though. you know, i went there expecting it to be a ball. ball --> dancing. well, it makes sense to me. Peace.

Sorry bout the IC post. However I must still say that this is highly annoying. People are annoying sometimes though, and stuff breaks, people die ect... so I will get over it. Please no one start ANOTHER damn crusade againt the Evil Powers that be. They are getting to be a little annoying. . . Ramble ramble. . . sometimes I wish I had something origional, or important to say. . . ah well well, goodbye everybody. . .

SO now this board is out of Character? Since when did this happen?

stop trying to make trouble you non-exsistent palatapie. or we willl vote your non-exsistent butt off the island, again.

Maybe someone shouyld stop not posting their names on here. And also maybe peoiple shouldn't take lines from movies and say them as their own.

Why sould I give a tip just because somone did there job well?? Do I get a tip because I have none my job well?? NO.. If the people working there are not happy with what they are making for the work that they do. they can get a differant job! I have never understood why in some professions it is basily expected that you "Tip" somone and others you never even think about it? when you buy groceries do you tip the person that checked you out? When you go to Mc Donalds do you Tip the person that took your order? Do you tip the Mechanic that fixes your car or changes your oil? I highly doubt it. So in that if I feel like giving a tip I will do so.. but NO ONE has the right to EXPECT me or anyone to do so. Again. if they are not happy with what they are making.. Get a differant job. Yes I realize this may sound harsh.. but so is life, get used to it.

Now to the other problem as to people not paying for food, that is down right despecable if you can not pay for what you orderd or have it coverd by a friend you can reimburse, you should not have been there!!! It is those kind of people that none of us need around!!

Okay guys, I think the party went very well, but did anyone get pictures????

As for easter weekend, there is no oficial game next week. Enjoy the holiday if you celebrate it, otherwise get some sleep :) Of course, if changeling want's a go they will speak up.

Things to say: I loved the crossover, from what I saw it looked like one of the best games in this area in a long time. But (why does there always have to be a but?) It looked like a number of people (I have no idea as to who or what game they belonged to) either did not tip at the Mongolian BBQ or did the eat and beat thing (did not pay at all.) All told it evened out to about a $30 tip total for all tables combined (an appropriate amount was $300) This leads me to beleive that a number of people stole their food, I'm heavily disapointed. As a result Brian and I are going to be shelling out $50 each from our respective treasuries and give it to the servers. That dosn't even get us 1/2 the way to where we should be, but it helps. Those of you who did pay and tip, should be angry - I'm having to give away your (the larp's) money, money which should go towards our next big event, now farther away or less grand.

IC, Bastian goes to kinkos for their late night internet use. He types in the ic webpage address. and gets a NO LONGER EXISTS message. gets pissed and leaves kinkos. :ooc for anyone who cares, my phone is being shut off soon. So if you care for my number for whatever reason rides, talk about game, bullshit about whatever. just e-mail me and I will give you my new number. tho some already have it. Mrow. :the kittie scampers off. ~*PRESTO*~

wow... I wonder how many people missed the complete obliteration of the In Character Message Board... there must be quite a few... oh no... I'm rambling again... good night and enjoy the storms, everyone!

everyone ignore that IC post... since

THERE IS NO IC BOARD ANYMORE

thank you

OOC: Just want to say to John, Brian, and Bekkah, I had a most awsome time at the Larp this past weekend. That site was awsome and I saw alot of great roleplaying. Peace..

IC messages: I am very happy about the party depite the three punishments that I have underwent because of the painting thing which inevitibly went off without a hitch. Yes, I said without a hitch. Just drive down I59, and find out. . . I believe the fuzz can get you more information about that. On the other hand the status I have gained(negitive), has made me a myrtyre at the sight of my clan, and I thank the people which made it possible. On a side note I am sorry about the way we had to meet, but I give my support to you o prince. have a good week, until we meet again. . . , oh MR harpy lets leave it at I KNOW YOU, and have ammassed new repect for your abilities, and I will be more interested in learning more about you. OOC messages: John Wilk! please try to read the emails I have sent you on the way I plan to use Ysti's recources, and influence to start those new buisnesess.

so is diablerie.org

tzimisce.net is good...

www.tzimisce.com... good stuff. Pronounced "zih-me-say".

Yes I think last night was great. I did get to meet with a few of the other Citys players. and even got to do some roleplaying with them. (I still don't know what went on with the painting thing) but over all I am happy with the way it turned out. (Just on a side note: if you all recall the saying its a great place to visit.. just dont trink the water(blood).) I just hope that nothing comes out of the blood enriched food that most of us had lastnight. :-) Great Game - I think everying did a great job and I am looking forward to the next time we can do this. ( just leave the Malks at hame next time LOL

I must say that the cross-over was quite... interesting (among other things).. but fun. Next time, maybe we should push for more inter-city mingling (if there is said "next time").. not many came out of their "cliques" long enough to reach past the introduction and get to know other-city vampires. However.. it came off as a success, in my eyes at least.. and would definately be a fun thing to do again in the future...

I wold like to take this time to thank all the people from RH for the fantastic game tonight, I personally had a great time and it was fun to meet other players. Thank you so much Becca for putting this all togeather and to all your helpers you had in doing so, I am sure there are many I am not even aware of, you are a gem among gems!

I would also like to thank each and every player for making the night and experiance what it was!

Thank you one and all!!!

if a prince has granted a kinred the right of domain over a small part of the city, that kindred can invite any vamipre s/he damn well chooses onto their domain. This is the right of domain. However, if unwanted kindred are brought in this way, the prince most likely wont allow said kindred to keep domain very long. However, in this situation, all kindred showing up to the party who do not take any offensive action are respecting the tradition of domain and are therefore protected by the laws of the camarilla. Also considdering that the price is expected to be in attendance, striking out at any unacknowledged kindred would be a very foolish thing to do.

Thats all good and well. But were not talking about the sabbat here. Were talking about the independants. nobody has even lifeted a finger in agression about the fact that the sabbat was invited to the party. But the independants... oh my gods. the world will just end if they are there. We should just ALL go and have a good time damnit. Cam, Sabbat, and Independants. Silly polotics.

Have to agree with the counterthought on this one. If I'm joe blow the toreador in town, and I invite a pack of sabbat to stay with me, just because they have cards saying I invited them doesn't mean the prince will agree with it or be forced to accept them in town. It really falls to the prince to decide.

If they've been presented to the Prince or are Acknowledged, then as previously stated, they have nothing to fear from the Scourge. Being invited to a party doesn't necessarily mean one should go.

If I am correct in assuming this is a party as it is being billed would not the Camarilla be bound by the tradition of Domain?? if so the Independants, who were invited as well, will not be considerd fair game by anyone including the scourge. Unless the owner of the residence where the party is being held says differantly. Thank you for your time.

If anyone else wishes I can also give people a ride (P.S. I am the new girl that jason introduced two weeks ago) I visiting my sister on saturday in lansing anyway so if anyone needs a ride from anyway between lansing, flint and rochester just give me an e-mail.

ok... I will need all of the Grell to show up at the party. there are non party things that will be going on there. A meeting with the entire grel pack is needed. so please show up anyone who needs a ride, I will be giving a few others rides. so Please call me 810-938-6742. and if you dont need a ride. Please show up. ALL of the pack need to speek with eachother and I dont want anyoes vote left out.

If you're in a Camarilla Domain, and you're not Acknowledged or at least presented to the Prince, you're fair game to the Scourge(unless you're Giovanni). This is going by strict intepretation of the Scourge's job description.

As I see it adam. That arguement works for an unreccognized brujah and an unreccognized ventrue. But Princes rarely hold gangrel to the requirement of being reccognized. And the fact of the matter is, My character Has connections to the individual throwing the party. So I wont be bothered anyways. Oh wait thats right, they have to know IM there first.

If status isn't recognized, the offender risks being labelled an Anarch. Once that happens, the Scourge is resposible for dealing with it if the offender stays in the Domain.

WILK, I have to give Ystte a prophecy during Rochester. How do you want me to do that. It dose pose a bit of a problem. ROLAND!!! please try to give me a call sometime before the day of game pleez. Skippy: sorry game isn't what it could have been, but just a point of curiosity, I am not trying to start an aurgument, but how could we make status more respected when it comes to Game mechanics?

.....stupid double postings

Jason Roland> No problem. you guys should act on your characters likes and dislikes. thats roleplaying. thats what we all show up for right? my character needs to get ahold of your whole little group thingy. email me and such. as well as the other independents.

Jason Roland> No problem. you guys should act on your characters likes and dislikes. thats roleplaying. thats what we all show up for right? my character needs to get ahold of your whole little group thingy. email me and such. as well as the other independents.

It's Character and Fashion BTW. ANd Number two, I'm moving to Grand Ledge, so I'm not gonna be goin to the crossover deffinantly. And I may not be to game for some time.

Well seeing that MY CHARICTOR is Unacknowleged, and MY CHARICTOR is apparently illiterate and that MY CHARICTOR apparently has no fashon sence I will here by stay in my muddy hovel this Saturday evening. I thank thee for reminding MY CHARICTOR of his place. *Bow*

As I was asked by a hoarde of narrators before I left game last week how I felt about the game session, I think I'll post a small review of last week's game here.

I was definitely more involved, and didn't have reason to leave early this game. Tremere in-politics were good, and a focus was given to tie the Tremere clan together. And of course, this focus was to completely defame another PC. (*waves to Jake*) Many of the independants re-joined the Camarilla. NPC distrobution was a little quirky. However, after getting a bit pissed, and bitching, the problem was solved in character. The fact that there were actually narrators there, and enough of them (the max I waited for a ST/Narrator was 5 minutes), was a LARGE improvment.

Ok, now the bad points. Like I said, an NPC that was given out was given out indiscriminantly in my opinion, and allowing multiple characters to be played is also a bad idea. The ST's know who I'm talking about. Status needs to be respected more. My Tremere may have attempted to make Lance's un-life a living hell (next, on who wants to be a cult leader..), but ot his face, he was appropriately agreeable, and his eyes were properly downcast. If this sort of thing isn't played properly at the crossover, Lansing's characters are going to be socially torn apart, and the aforementioned King of the Harpies will make sure of it.

Overall, it was better. But not good enough for me to extend my trial period. I'll be giving Fortress one more chance at the crossover. Here's to hoping the game is orgasmic.

would any and all Independant vampires within lansing get a hold of me before Friday night... I have something to share (yes, this is an ooc post)

I would now like to state that my previous comment was totally in character.

only problem there is this......*snip snip*

Ok, this post is OOC to inform you people of something IC. The IC message board that the vamps of this city have been posted on

HAS DISAPPEARED

that's right, you go to the address it was at... and it's gone. So no IC posts untill further notice. Yes, this is a result of something done in character, and yes, my character has the power to do it. If anyone has any questions, email me about it
Jason Tatseos
- Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 15:00:49 (EST)

so.....

I would now like to state that my previous comment was totally in character. I jason roland as a person or a roleplayer have nothing against anyone in the game. As for whoever the independant is that decided they didnt want to go to the crossover game because of what was said. Know this. if I find you out, I will have a professional malkavian beat you over the head with a soggy penguine. I want us all to go and have fun. yours truly, the player that is going to the ball as an independant.

Well, For the individuals who think that we can't dress properly. I would like to point out that I do have access to a variety of fashion magazines through any late night Dpt store. or the local late night non coffee book store. As well as 500 Dollars a week which may not seem like much to those that have alot of money. But to those of us who just bury it in our primative little holes. Its enough to have saved up enough for a GUCCI, or ARMANI, suit. its not like I pay rent or go grocery shoping.Nor do I spend it buying people off like most of you. Aswell, as for not being able to read I graduated from Fountain Hills High School in Fountain Hills AZ with a 3.9 GPA. and I graduated early!!!

Well, sence I am not acknowledged apparently illiterate and have no fashon sence I will here by stay in my muddy hovel this Saturday evening. I thank thee for reminding me of my place. *Bow*

Yeah, I do see the difference between the two. However, from what I hear about the OU game, invitees are assumed to be acknowledged. I also know most of the Independent characters don't have the ability to arrive presentable at a Toreador salon(one of them can't even read).

Ugh, I get sick looking at all the personal insults being flung around. First amendment, fine, but this isn't the purpose of the board and I am asking firmly for it to stop. I like having this as an open forum and I do not want to have to look into other options. As for downtimes, please send them to me, Seth, and Jason. Hope to see everyone there at the ball and please take the opportunity to do something amazing with your costume, chances like this don't come along very often. Lastly, it seems that OU is currently debating the validity of running our games as permenant crossovers, what do you think? Also consider these practical points: They meet 2X/month we meet 3X (might need to change that to match), how to work xp from the different games, influence, status, power levels of the games (ours is lower, yes I said lower), house rules, etc.

Adam, I'm sure you can see the difference in questions between "are you acknowledged" and "are you invited"

I thought this would have been included in the last post, but if you guys want to take a look, this is where the crossover game will be held... www.meadowbrookhall.org

Isn't that what I wrote would happen...?

actually adam it will be more like this: Keeper: Invitation please? independant: here ya go Keeper: enjoy the party

Juju is looking forward to the Toreador party in Rodchester provided the powers that be are ok with that. He's already expecting critizim. Come to think of it it is the normal reaction other Cam have to Juju.

What should happen... Keeper of Elysium at Rochester: "Are you Acknowledged in Lansing?" Lansing Ind.: "No." Keeper: "You can't come in! Scourge!!!" What's going to happen to _appease_ everyone... Keeper: "Come on in, have a great time!"

I hope everyone knows the amount of anticipation this independant vampire has about going to the rochester game...

I hope everyone knows the amount of crap the Camarilla vampires from Fortress are going to receive in-character from the politically minded Rochester crew.

Okay... I am getting really geeked about this cross over game and I want you to be too... If you check out their web site, take a look at the virtual tour we are going to be playing in the Great Hall and Entertainment Room (Ballroom)... Also, if you would be so kind, please let me know if you are planning on coming so I can get better numbers for food and such...

Question about Downtime. Since we have a string of new narrorators, do we still send our DT to just John and Jason, or are more people included now to be up to date on character plots. Just thought I'd ask...

I hope everyone has a good time at the crossover game, and with the game in general in the future. For my tastes, certain things have just gotten too ridiculous, and I have many ways to better spend my Saturday nights. It wasn't any one person's(or people's) fault for my disillusionment towards the game, but a gradual kind of "this is retarded" sentiment. See ya 'round. IM is "Shmack Z" if anyone cares or is interested in talking.

it is true that the Independents have no leader, as they have thwarted my attempts to bring this to pass. As far as people saying things on the board, its a dumb idea to put a password on it, seeing as its a public thing, if you'll notice the 2 people that came to game JUST because they say the site. Now that stands as proof enough to keep this page public. Scott the ST, i need you to email me if you can please....that is all. QUACK!!!! QUACK!!!!! QUACK!!!!!! Penguinz! Penguinz! Liked the water so damn mucho, they traded there wingz 4 flippperz!!!! and they were soooooooooooo close.....sooooo close......(Cue the Insidious maniacal laughter)

just to let everyone know... if you have BBC America... it's pure MONTY PYTHON goodness all day today... right then..